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This cup of joe is for you jobless art-history majors
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| 06/11/03
| Craig Wilson
Posted on 06/11/2003 11:23:53 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: AngryJawa
Don't fret. As one who served, I can tell you first hand that military service in the Clinton 90's had little to do with duty, honor, and country.
If you consider the fact that Commissioned Officers (as I was) are commissioned to act as the delegated authority of the Commander-in-Chief within the services, once the CiC disgraces himself, how can one not feel a bit tarnished as well?
I left honorably at the end of my service obligation in '95. I could no longer stand what the 'leadership' was doing to the Army I loved. I felt free to go on my way because I knew I had some decent job prospects on the outside and didn't have to sell my soul to stay in. In '99 I resigned my commission to take a Sergeant's job in the National Guard.
To: chookter
I agree what happened to the military under Clinton was sickening. I think it's a stretch to tie that in with science vs. liberal arts majors.
I got a history degree and later went for a more practical advanced degree. The liberal arts education has been an outstanding preparation both for work and non-work life.
IMHO college is not just about job offers, but is more about becoming an educated person, learning about who the human race is and where our civilization came from.
To: colorado tanker
I think it's a stretch to tie that in with science vs. liberal arts majors. It isn't. I took a look in '95 at a 'cross-section' of the mid-career Captains and Majors leaving in the '90s up till then. These are the guys who will face the toughest transition to civ employment--y'know, middle managers, midcareer--like right now....
Chemists, Engineers of all disciplines, JAG Lawyers, Docs, Physicists... Anyone with a technical or science-type degree was bailing.
Staying: History, English, (Language) Majors, and a whole heckuvalot of 'Russian Studies' guys.
I had a running joke with some of the other LT's--when you ran across a Major bucking to make LTC who was zealously pushing the Clinton 'Consideration of Others', Operations Other than War', and 'Don't ask--Smoke Pole' doctrines, I would ask them: "Hey sir, you Majored in Russian Studies didn't you?" more times than not, I was correct....
To: chookter
Thanks for your service then and now, chookter. Sorry x42 loused it up for you and everyone else. Still, if I would have gotten in at age 18 in 1986, I could have had a couple years under Uncle Ronnie. The problem back then was that my hardcore socialist father was convinced that RR was a madman bent on the destruction of the human race.
To: AngryJawa
You are the same age as me. I was in ROTC 86-90 then on active duty. The 89-90 time was great-tough, realistic training without a lot of sensitivity training BS. I was in Korea for the first Gulf War... I left in disgust in '95.
To: chookter
Looks like you should have been sent to sensitivity training. :)
To: conservativeinbflo.
I got news for you - there is very little room for ANYONE in the art world - it only works for the big dealers.
To: colorado tanker
Thanks Um Big Heap!
(little indian lingo for you there... Um, I mean Native American, or whatever...)
To: conservativeinbflo.
Fine, but...my bachelor's is in math, and my master's is in CS. That didn't keep me from being laid off. If people want vocational schools, they know where to find them; universities shouldn't be vocational schools.
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06/11/2003 2:11:18 PM PDT
by
jejones
To: jejones
The world has changed.
I looked at the amount of jobs I could have with a bachelors vs the amount of jobs I could have with a masters and decided to never get a masters. I would be virtually unemployable in my state of New Mexico with a masters or Phd.
A gal I worked with in an engineering position--same position as me--had a Phd in Physics, made the same amount as me with a BSEE and she was happy to have the job. That told me a lot.
With the end of the 'Patron System' of arts and philosophy, the only hope in America if you want to be employed and educated is to go for the employment and then educate yourself as a hobby.
It pays more now to be clever than smart....
To: AngryJawa
Still, if I would have gotten in at age 18 in 1986 Same year for me (albeit in December). I considered it during highschool and for a couple of years after but I had a wealthy grandfather who talked me out of it and offered to pay my way through college.
Knowing some friends in college were having a good time, I jumped at the offer.
I have two close friends from highschool who served. One of them was in the 82nd as a paratrooper and loved it. The other was a MP in Germany and called the Army the "worst decision I ever made."
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:17:56 PM PDT
by
Drew68
To: Jonah Hex
I went for English with a History minor, couldn't spell so I ended up an Engineer. My daughter was a history Major and is working at Walmart, but that is another story.
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:28:34 PM PDT
by
Little Bill
(No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
To: chookter
I dunno, but no one should confuse a liberal arts program with a trade school.
Freepers are a literate bunch. They read. It is the rest of society I worry about.
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:32:58 PM PDT
by
sine_nomine
(I am pro-choice...the moment the baby has a choice.)
To: AngryJawa
Had I gone in, I would have had the Sinkmeister, and I couldn't justify doing that.
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:43:42 PM PDT
by
Maigrey
(Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Jack Straw Fan Club, and Gonzo News Service)
To: sine_nomine
I dunno, but no one should confuse a liberal arts program with a trade school. You're right, of course... I wish I had the luxury to take some of my studies in music and history out of the hobby category.
However, the way the world is now, I probably won't have the chance until (if?) I retire in the far, far future....
To: Oberon
I have a Bachelor's degree in English and a Class B CDL. With me it's probably a wash, but the English degree allows me to work from home.You mean that, because you have an English degree, you can employ your CDL in a job that allows you to work from home?!???
Neat trick!
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:48:43 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE D)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Work in the medical field. Be a coder, transcriptionist, biller, customer service or patient records. It's a goldmine. The jobs you mention will be all outsourced to india/foreigners very shortly.
To: Leisler
pouring out of countless sipping containersI knew there was a reason I didn't trust Starbucks.
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:49:53 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE DO NOT CROSS POLICE TAGLINE D)
To: bert
Interesting. Didn't know that.
I heard of a basic economics lession in the futility of planning. It was, "List all the people needed to make a commonm pencil." If you are honest, the list never ends.
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posted on
06/11/2003 2:54:33 PM PDT
by
Leisler
To: Drew68
bump...thanks for the post.
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