Laci's things in tug of war

The Modesto Bee ^ | May 31, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

[Bella]

And I could hardly stand LKL last night. I had to continually change the channel until Pixley and the "ever present Petersons) were finished. THEY are totally disgusting.

Take notice when JP calls into the talk shows..note how well she speaks--without the nasal oxygen cannula..doesn't sound Short of Breath to me, and I'd bet she ONLY wears it when she desires..

[GrandMoM]

....don't have to .

I actually had people thanking me for that post.....enough said!

[Velveeta]

Take notice when JP calls into the talk shows..note how well she speaks--without the nasal oxygen cannula

Just out of sheer curiosity, when JP "calls in"....how do you know she's *not* wearing her 02?

[Scenic Sounds]

I'm glad I don't live there

I think your there is here.

Or, maybe not. LOL. ;-)

[RGSpincich]

They did so after the other side had agreed to and begun to provide specific requested items AND a tour of the house to the burglars.

Wrong. The other side reneged on the agreement.

The Rochas have a key and free access to the house in the absence of Laci and SP per prior agreements with them. No legal action was taken by Petersons to secure the property from entry by the Rochas. The proper legal thing to do for the Petersons was to get a court order barring the Rochas and have it legally served and a hearing held. The Petersons were never legally in complete control of the house and the Rochas were never legally barred from entering.

The Rochas had tried to cooperate with the Petersons but the the Petersons attempted to exercise unfounded control. Rochas put it to the test, nothing underhanded here. No midnight burglary, it was broad daylight with media thick as flies recording the whole thing.

The items taken for safe keeping were cataloged and that inventory was given to the police officer on the scene. Hardly theft.

[MaggieMay]

Now, for what it's worth, here's how I see it playing out. Jackie P. says to Scott. We are trying to raise money to pay for your defense, where are Laci's wedding rings, the nice ring you bought for her, grandmother's diamond's? Scott says, gosh mom, I took all those to the jeweler to have a custom ring made, and those Rocha's went behind my back and picked it up. Scott could tell Jackie the moon is made out of swiss cheese and she would believe it. I may be wrong but somehow I just think Scott sold the missing jewelry or given to Amber.

[Bella]

Just out of sheer curiosity, when JP "calls in"....how do you know she's *not* wearing her 02?

You'd be able to "hear" shortness of breath..If she was SOB, she wouldn't be able to speak as continuously as she does, you'd hear pausing, and slight gasps..watch the difference when she's ON the news and speaking..

[Defiant]

No death Certificate has been issued yet, and until the trial is over, that house is Scott's, but if he is convicted of killing his wife, it will be turned over to Laci's heirs.

Not true. The house is Scotts, as his sole property, now that the other joint owner is dead. The certificate does not make it his, her death does. The certificate is only one form of evidence of her death.

A convicted murderer does not forfeit his property. Laci's heirs will have to sue Scott for wrongful death, and win, and then collect on the judgment by foreclosing the house, before they will gain possession of the house. The auction must be held in a commercially reasonable manner, to maximize the amount received so that the judgment can be reduced by that amount. Someone will come along and pay a lot of money at the auction for the house. The Rochas will likely never own that house.

[mafree]

Jackie Peterson said the people who went into the home Friday had "absolutely no permission to be in that house. I have a lot of empathy for Sharon, but she does not have a right to go in our house and take what she wants."

"Our house??" Where does this witch get off saying some crap like that? I'd love to knock her and that oxygen tank into the middle of next week!

[Jackie-O]

Your tag line made me lauch my bumm off!
Man is the net slow! I just tried to e-mail my darlin' friend and it took forever! Maybe just AOL!

[daylate-dollarshort]

Was there a Satanic Killing?

I don't know what Geragos has, if anything at all. But I have seen quotes on this thread from Mark Furman who states there is no Satanic killings anywhere on record, or words to that effect. I seen this echoed by ex-FBI persons interviewed on the various news/talk shows

Funny, In short order I was able to find reports of more than two dozen. One occurring about 6 or so miles from Modesto and reported in the Modesto Bee

July 197O - Steven Hurd and four other California Satanists are charged with two murders involving ritual dismemberment and cannibalism. Hurd is declared insane and remains in a state hospital "his accomplices are duly convicted and sentenced."
July 1970 - Satanist Stanley Baker is convicted in the cannibal- slaying of a Montana resident. He confesses other crimes, committed as a member of the "Four P" cult - a spinoff from the Process Church of Final Judgment - and bloody fingerprints link Baker to another homicide in San Francisco, but California courts bar prosecution on a claim that he has been denied a "speedy trial." Paroled in 1985, he is at large today.
December 1979 - The mutilated bloodless corpses of Carol Marron and Howard Green are found by police, outside West Paterson, New Jersey. Both victims are known to be involved with the occult, and while the crimes remain unsolved, authorities say of the case, "It was definately a satanic murder. And it wasn't a one-man job"
April 1981 - Self-styled Satanist Kimberly Goytia, age 13, is convicted of manslaughter for the shooting death of her sister in Sacramento, California. She informs police that Satan orderd her to fire the fatal shot (Newton, 1993a).
October 1981 - Robin Gecht and three fellow Satanists are arrested following a series of cannibal murders in Chicago. Gecht escapes prosecution for murder, but is sentenced to 120 years in prison for mutilating a prostitute who survived the attack. His accomplices are convicted of multiple murders, with two sentences to death and one to life imprisonment.
July 1984-Teenage Satanists Richard Kasso and James Troiano are arrested for the ritual slaying of a fellow "stoner." Kasso hangs himself in jail; Troiano is acquitted in 1985, after a key prosecution witness admits using drugs on the night of the crime (Newton, 1993a)
January 1986 - Satanic "priest" Harold Smith and four disciples are jailed following a series of murders in Houston, Texas. All are convicted and sentenced for the ritual torture-slaying of a young man at a local cemetery.
February 1986- Dana Jones admitted member of a "sex magic" cult founded by Aleister Crowley in 1907, is arrested for the ritual mutilation-slaying of a man in Denver, Colorado. Acquitted on grounds of insanity and confined to a state hospital, she escapes in June 1988, with aid from a nurse on the staff, and flees to New Mexico, where she commits suicide.
March 1987 - Tim Erickson and two other Minnesota teenagers, admitted members of a "vampire cult" inspired by the movie The Lost Boys, murder a 30-yr old drifter and drink his blood. Erickson is sentenced to life in prison.
September 1987- Ohio Satanist John Fryman is convicted in the dismemberment slaying of 21-year old Monica Lemen, whose severed legs are found outside a rural Indiana church. Discovery of a black- painted ritual chamber in Fryman's mobile home, including a gravestone employed as an alter, prompts the defendant to admit, "I'm involved with the occult. I think everybody knows that. You don't have a room like that in your trailer if you're not.
December 1987 - Three teenage Satanists in Carl Junction, Missouri, bored with sacrificing cats and dogs, beat classmate Steven Newberry to death with baseball bats while chanting, "Sacrifice to Satan! Sacrifice to Satan!"
May 1988 - Satanists Clifford St. Joseph is convicted in the 1985 murder of an unidentified man, whose mutilations include an inverted pentagram carved in his chest. Despite the victim's injuries, confiscation of ritual paraphernalia, and testimony from another participant in St. Joseph's rituals, Ken Lanning describes the case as a "sadistic" murder with no occult overtones.
May 1988 - Teen Satanist Terry Belcher is convicted for the ritual murder of Theresa Simmons, in Duglasville, Georgia. A month later, co-defendant Robert McIntyre is likewise convicted, and both are sentenced to life. (A female accomplice is jailed for three years.) On the witness stand, Belcher describes animal sacrifices for the court: "We ate their eyeballs and innards and drank their blood. We toasted the devil by drinking the blood."
June 1988 - Satanists Jason Rose and John Jones are indicted for murdering 19-year-old Melissa Ann Meyer "while deliberately effecting a human sacrifice." A videotape of the murder in progress earns Rose a death sentence in May 1989, while Jones is sentenced to life a month later.
October 1988 - Joseph Bradsberry, age 22, is sacrificed by California Satanists as part of an initiation ritual. A 15-year-old cultists confesses his role in the murder, leading to the arrest of several adults who deny responsibility on grounds that they were "stoned" when the murder occurred.
March 1989-Alleged Satanist Tony Hall is convicted and sentenced to death for the 1987 murder of victim Ngoc Van Dang near Orlando, Florida. Accomplice Danny Bowen is convicted in May and sentenced to life. Two male participants in the crime, including outspoken Satanist Bunny Dixon, plead guilty on reduced charges and are sentenced to prison (Newton, 1993a).
September 1990 - Daniel Rakowitz, self-styled leader of the "Church of 966" (his own peculiar variant of "666") is convicted and sentenced to life in New York City of the murder of Monika Beerle. Cult member Randy Eastherday is arrested in 1992, charged with helping Rakowitz dissect and boil Beerle's corpse, after which Rakowitz carried her skull and bones around in a bucket. (Cawthorne, 1995; Ryder, 1994) July 1991 - Michigan Satanist Jaime Rodriguez is convicted and sentenced to life for beheading a teenage runaway and severing one of her fingers, to wear as a charm around his neck. Accomplice Augustin Pena, who kept the victim's head in his refrigerator, is also charged in the case.
July 1992 - Two Satanists are sentenced to die for the 1990 decapitation murders of four cult defectors in Salida, California. Two more defendants are convicted and sentenced to life in January 1993. (Modesto Bee, 1990-93)
February 1994 - Jessie Misskelly, Jr. is convicted and sentenced to life plus forty years in prison for the mutilation-murders of three eight-year old boys at West Memphis, Arkansas, the previous year. A month later, accomplices Damien Echols and Charles Baldwin are likewise convicted, with Echols sentenced to death and Baldwin sentenced to life without parole. Echols is an admitted practitioner of black magic, and prosecutors describe the triple murder as a ritual slaying.(USA Today, March 21, 1994)
April 1994 - Self-described Satanist Carey Grayson, 19, and three younger defendants are charged with the murder of a female hitchhiker in Birmingham, Alabama. Police say the victim was mutilated "in an apparent ritual that involved cannabilism" (USA Today, April 28, 1994)
May 1996 - Three teenage Satanists in San Louis Obispo, California, are charged with raping, torturing and murdering 15 year old Elyse Pahler. Prosecutors say the defendants hoped a virgin sacrifice would earn them "a ticket to hell." (Indianapolis Star, May 3, 1996)

I have come a half dozen more reported in Europe and Russia, and haven't tracked down some additional US cases reported in the Washinton Post and Reuter's.

Now I'm not saying that there was or wasn't Satanists involved in the Laci Peterson case, but to dismiss it out of hand at this point in premature

[Jackie-O]

Yes, and don't you remember the interview outside their home when she didn't have it on. We were discussing one night that if she were suffering from an extreme case of emphesema, in order for her to benifit from the oxygen, she would have to wear that constantly.
By the way Vel, did you get any of that nasty weather last night?
Maybe it just stayed south by me...our sirens went off at about 8:10PM.

[Velveeta]

Darkling? LOL

[Jackie-O]

See spectre's post #342...this is what I was trying to say but the talking head attorney's said it better... ;0)

[Velveeta]

Thanks for the reply. I was just horsing around and being literal.

Actually I don't have any doubt that she's a sickly woman. I've seen her on TV when she's coughed and there's a certain sound and physical contortion to those with a COPD type cough. This trial will weigh heavy on her health.

[mtbopfuyn]

I too am not convinced he did it either. But of course I don't know anything other than what the crazed media has been dishing out. This is just more sensationalized journalism which has turned into a Jerry Springer miniseries. Similar events are played out across America dozens of times every day but it's only this family that makes headlines. Why is Laci's murder so much more important than any other murder? I'm sick of all the media frenzy and don't care who takes what from the house. As someone said earlier, if the police don't consider the contents of the house important to the investigation then this is a non-story.

[Rusty Roberts]

LOL. I calls them as I sees them, as some like to say. Look, I think Scott is scum, I think he has zero emotions, I think there is a heck of lot more to the behind the scenes in the Scott and Laci relationship that we don't know about (as is the truth in any marriage), and I think Scott is involved with her murder. I have no problem saying that is what I think. I certainly am not able to convict him at this point, but I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears statements from Scott's interviews and his actions (more importantly, his inactions) throughout these many months in regards to the search for his missing wife to make him more than a suspect. I await a trial with great interest.

I also find it fascinating the way he uses women. The spokespeople for his familly throughout these many months have mainly been his mother and his sister in law. It is only recently that his father has spoken somewhat regularly to the press. His many brothers have been silent. There have been one or two occassions, but otherwise, it is always the Janey, the sister in law, or poor, pitiful Mom.

I also believe Scott has not been subjected to anyone truly questioning his ability/skills often in life, thanks to Mom and Pop. I think the story about the fake golf scholarship says quite a bit about Scott, the fact that he went out to Arizona, to try and follow in the steps of Phil Mickelson, claimed to have a partial golf scholarship, yet suddenly returned home and his parents claimed they never asked or knew why....right. Interesting how the school has no record of him and the golf coach has outright denied he had any form of scholarship.

Again, I'll be very interested in what is actually presented at trial, as the real Scott has yet to be revealed, imo. I think Laci might have been one of the very few who found out what really made Scott tick. I don't think Amber is THE reason, THE motive, I think she may be a symptom.

[Sandylapper]

I may be wrong but somehow I just think Scott sold the missing jewelry or given to Amber.

IF given to Amber, then Amber will tell us how and when, won't she? Your thinking is very plausible, IMO. Maybe we'll find out soon if Amber and Scott really did meet as was hinted at by Ted Rowlands? Or, he could have mailed the new ring to AF? Either way, does she have the ring, or do the Rochas have the new ring? Or did he sell the ring? The jeweler will have to tell us who picked up the ring, won't he? Jackie's in a heap more trouble if she's getting on the record based on what Scott told her, if she and Scott are lying. JMO Maybe such knowledge would make even MG jump ship.