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US dollar plunges, tips deflation fears Europe's way
AFP ^ | 19 May 2003

Posted on 05/19/2003 1:00:04 PM PDT by Hal1950

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Nerves gripped investors worldwide after US Treasury Secretary John Snow appeared tacitly to abandon an eight-year policy of supporting a strong dollar.

The perceived shift raised fears that further dollar declines would erode the value of foreigners' US investments, economists said.

And while soothing concerns of deflation in the United States, it also ramped up those same fears in Europe, and complicated the long deflation battle in Japan, they said.

"What the United States has made clear is that they are not going to undertake any efforts to try to defend the currency," said Citigroup global currency strategist Robert Sinche.

"We think that is exactly appropriate in this environment," he said.

"In a world where the major concerns appear to be about deflation rather than inflation, the last thing the world economy needs is to have the United States trying to artificially tighten policy."

US Treasury Secretary John Snow described recent currency fluctuations as being "really fairly modest" during a weekend Group of Seven finance ministers in Deauville, France.

A "strong dollar" policy did not mean that the currency should be at any particular exchange rate, he said, emphasising that it incorporated other values such as confidence, or being a good medium of exchange.

The euro rose to 1.1720 dollars in late morning deals in Europe, against 1.1581 on Friday in New York.

In Japan, already battling deflation for four years, the authorities in Tokyo intervened heavily to prevent a yen appreciation. The dollar tumbled to 115.13 yen from 115.90 on Friday.

"I think for the longest period of time in effect the dollar exchange rate has been market-determined," said Moody's Investors Service chief US economist John Lonski.

Chronic deficits in US financial dealings with the outside world -- shown by a current account shortfall of more than half a billion dollars last year -- might have caught up with the currency, Lonski said.

"We are simply not able to attract as much foreign capital as we need to prevent the dollar exchange rate from moving lower. I wonder how much of this is really the product of any change in policy," he said.

Major investors in dollar-denominated assets also might have decided to diversify because of heightened geopolitical concerns, Lonski said.

In addition, the US Federal Reserve (news - web sites) had cut the key federal funds target rate to a four-decade low of 1.25 percent. Lower rates reduce the returns on US investments, eroding demand for dollars.

For now, the slide in the dollar worked in favor of the US economy, where underlying inflation fell to a 37-year low of 1.5 percent in April when compared with April 2002.

"One of the perfect antidotes for deflation is a weaker currency," Lonski said.

But "in Europe, it has the opposite effect," he added.

The appreciation of the euro, and the higher risk of deflation, might force the European Central Bank to cut rates sooner, the analyst said.

"The attack against deflation becomes globalized if the ECB decides that it has no choice but to cut rates pretty soon." The ECB holds its next meeting June 5.

In Japan, the Bank of Japan had waged a long battle in vain against deflation. "The last thing they need is a further appreciation of their currency," Lonski said.

Snow would still step in to support the dollar if the decline ran out of control, leading to a flight of funds from both the equity market and the bond market, he predicted.

"Snow made it perfectly clear, the strong dollar policy has been abandoned up until we reach that point where expecations of further dollar weakness prove to be disruptive to US financial markets," Lonski said.

Wall Street tumbled Monday. The Dow Jones industrials average of 30 top stocks plunged 171.33 points or 1.97 percent to 8,507.64 by early afternoon. But the bond market held up relatively well, Lonski said.

"If both equity and credit markets deteriorate together, chances are the dollar depreication will no longer be tolerated by the US government," the economist said.


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To: motor_racer
The emergence of the Euro makes it possible for OPEC to consider pricing oil in another currency or (even worse) against a basket of currencies.

Which are the leading oil exporting countries? Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Venezuela and Russia. If you are right they hold the lever to pick the world currency.

41 posted on 05/19/2003 5:39:39 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
I would say it's a combination of the OPEC transaction standard and the international currency reserve holdings. Here are a couple articles which some may find of interest insofar as the latter is concerned:

Asia, its reserves and the coming dollar crisis

[I see someone just reposted that one..]

King Dollar Meets The Guillotine

42 posted on 05/19/2003 5:46:20 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: ambrose
"Deflation will be good for the Freepers who have been keeping cash and gold hidden under their matresses."

It's about time. I need to get some of that gold out of my mattress. My back is starting to go to he!!... The lumps are killing me.

43 posted on 05/19/2003 5:52:07 PM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: AntiGuv
http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2003/04/08042003154241.asp

they can pump 3+ million in 2 years, it only takes a small bump from one big producer to spook the smaller players into fearing they will be squeezed out of the picture, so they start discounting and ignoring output caps.
44 posted on 05/19/2003 5:57:53 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
But Ebel said it may be "a couple of years" before Iraq can resume its late-1970s production level of 3.2 to 3.5 million barrels, still lagging behind neighboring Iran. After all adjustments are made, prices could stabilize next year in the $25- to $26-per-barrel range...

That would be just above pre 1991 levels of 3.1-3.3 million barrels and would certainly not break OPEC price controls. It's also right in the midst of the aforementioned 18-36 month reconstruction period estimated by the James A. Baker III Institute and the U.S. Dept. of Energy.

45 posted on 05/19/2003 6:03:22 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
Iraq, as a non OPEC member, under US control, and with US oil extraction technology pouring into the country, won't be bound by any limits they might have had in the past. what are they CAPABLE of producing, that is what the OPEC countries have to consider before they embark on some strategy to break the US dollar and control currency exchanges.
46 posted on 05/19/2003 6:06:36 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: A. Pole
Good point. But if someone is in an impossible debt situation and bankruptcy becomes a realistic option, they'd best do it before the new laws are passed, that's for sure!
47 posted on 05/19/2003 6:08:19 PM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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To: oceanview
It's irrelevant whether they're bound by OPEC quotas if they cannot produce the oil that would exceed them...

The other OPEC states, particularly Saudi Arabia, could easily accomodate at least 2 million additional barrels of Iraqi oil production above 2002 levels before OPEC price controls were seriously threatened.

Moreover, by the time Iraq is capable of producing that quantity of oil - sometime in perhaps 2007 or 2008 - there's an excellent probability that both Britain & Norway will be in the eurozone.

Finally, there is little reason to believe that Russia would fail to cooperate with a shift from dollars to euro if that were generally agreed upon by the other oil exporting nations aside from Iraq.

Sooner or later, the dollar will have to stand or fall of its own accord - that was inevitable from the day the euro went into effect.

48 posted on 05/19/2003 6:14:48 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: InterceptPoint
Isn't the rise of the Euro against the dollar more or less a result of record low interest rates in this country?

More or less, yes. Europe is sliding into recession (again) and needs to cut rates. Enough rate cuts by the Euros would help bring the currecies closer to parity.

49 posted on 05/19/2003 6:22:18 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (original white devil for Sharpton)
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To: AntiGuv
1) The theives of the middle east are already wealthy beyond belief. They have sufficient control of hard assets to be immune to currency problems, unless those currency problems threaten their positions. Culturally they are the ultimate Machiavllians and understand that their fate is in their own hands, losing means death, and winning means all.

2) The US government is the most fragile in the world, because of the dominance of its (fundamentally worthless paper) currency. (If no one wants a dollar, what then?)

Think some more: when the US economy declines by only a few percent, the reactions are HUGE. If the rest of the world suddenly not only doesn't need, but really cannot use, maybe 2 thirds of the dollars held overseas, what happens? I'm looking for thoughtful answers here, because I only know enough to recognize the danger.
50 posted on 05/19/2003 6:27:02 PM PDT by motor_racer
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To: A. Pole
The keys to exchange rates are the Yuan and OPEC. As long as OPEC sells for dollars it is the defacto international currency. The YUAN is artifically pegged to the dollar and China is a major contibutor to our current account deficit. Further what we do sell to China are not primarily consumer products rather they are producwer ie captal products that are used to manufacture consumer products for export. The weaker dollar will buy less imported goods from those nations whose currencies are not pegged to the dollar.
51 posted on 05/19/2003 6:30:01 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: motor_racer
What happens in that scenario is effectively described between the two articles I linked in post #41 above, but a recent CNN/Money article - The Dollar Nightmare - gave a brief summary:

All of which leads us to the nightmare scenario. It comes up every few years, and it goes like this: All those global portfolio managers, worried about the hits they're taking from the dollar, are going to start selling U.S. assets which is going to: A) send U.S. stocks lower and B) further damage the dollar. Which is only going to make the global investors (and U.S. ones) more twitchy, and beget more selling. Which will beget more selling. Pretty soon you have a massive rush to exit U.S. assets, and a global financial catastrophe.

Here's another recent analysis of interest, from CNBC/MSN Money:

Fantasy, the Fed and the falling dollar

At present, folks are complacent about the dollar's slide. This is the way it always works. As I have written before, when a currency starts to decline, it is initially deemed to be a positive thing: better for profits, better for exports, etc. At some point, central-bank jawboning will commence and volatility will pick up, though at some point, this phase of the slide in the dollar will stop, and we'll have a bounce. People will say, well. that's over with and it's stabilized, or some variation on that theme.

In the currency markets, once a trend begins, it tends to go on much longer and carry much further in whatever direction it's headed than you would think possible. Further, currency problems are unique in that they don't matter until they matter. Then, they are the only thing that matters, and there's nothing you can do about it. That's basically what happens, and then you have a crisis. A mini-version of this occurred in 1987, but that's the only time we've had any kind of a real currency problem since the Carter administration. (There was a problem brewing just before the first Gulf war, but that war and what came next solved it.)

Now the question at hand is whether all that may finally take place, or whether this is just another routine episode of unfounded alarmism as described by the CNN/Money article.

53 posted on 05/19/2003 6:37:01 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: HARD ATTACK 51
companies that rely on selling into the US market hedge themselves against currency fluctuations. The price of a Mercedes Benz or a BMW didn't go down when the euro was at .85, and they aren't going up with the euro at $1.16. that is not applicable to all products, but it is true for many. the bottom line is that sales in the US market, with its massive per capita consumption levels, is the only game in town. they can't price themselves out of it. now what can happen is that Mercedes won't be able to make cars in Germany anymore, they will have to lower their production costs to counter the currency swing, that is a real problem for europe. in any case, the coming rate cuts in europe will be a balancing force here soon.
54 posted on 05/19/2003 6:44:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview; sf4dubya
Amen, and thank God for reason amidst hysteria. The U.S. is the player, and the rest carry water. The Euro-dollar pricing is a purposeful game played from inside out, with US Banks and the Fed cheering it on.

Balance of accounts? What's a few hundred billion between friends? Nada.
55 posted on 05/19/2003 7:12:32 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: motor_racer
Today the de facto money standard is oil. The dirty secret of the dollar is that, since oil has been exclusively priced in dollars for many years, the wealth of all the theives of the middle east has had to pass through the dollar.

Yes, thru John D. Rockefella banks as well.
I read on FR that last year Saddam was going to price his oil in euro's....and perhaps that was the real reason for the invasion; send a clear message to the oil-producing world as to which currency is 'appropriate'.

Didn't Nixon take us off the gold standard around the same time of the 'oil crisis'?

56 posted on 05/19/2003 7:22:23 PM PDT by JPJones
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To: motor_racer
If the rest of the world suddenly not only doesn't need, but really cannot use, maybe 2 thirds of the dollars held overseas, what happens?

motor, help me out here.

I understand there is about 9 trillion dollars in circulation in the US today. I also understand there is only 600 billion actual real dollars in the US today.

What is it that happens if a major creditor of the US calls the notes.

Do we just print some more money to pay, or what.?

58 posted on 05/19/2003 8:00:41 PM PDT by biffalobull
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To: biffalobull
If that happened then the bond market would collapse and America would suffer genuine hyperinflation - which is why no "major creditor" will do that unless there's a global financial panic. At this rate, that may come about in a few years whenever Japan becomes unable to service its debt and the Japanese banking system crumbles...
59 posted on 05/19/2003 10:48:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: snopercod
Reduce the supply I would guess.
60 posted on 05/20/2003 12:32:09 AM PDT by DB (©)
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