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Artificial Life Experiments Show How Complex Functions Can Evolve
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| May 8, 2003
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Posted on 05/08/2003 10:11:06 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: donh
In hoc tu often.
1,461
posted on
05/15/2003 10:35:44 AM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: AndrewC
I did. You are demonstrating that I was correct when I described the statement, among others, as provocative.You continue an unbroken streak of responding only to the Peripheral parts of any argument.
I started a specific line of argument in #1446, and you ingnore the argument in favor of responding to the one-sentence lead in fluff.
Let me continue. Wolfram suggests that variations in mutation is highly constrained, which leads to the possibility that the calculations of astronomical odds against favorable mutations is bogus.
One could posit all kinds of religious and pseudo religious "causes" for this -- anything from God designing the physical constants to produce evolution, to "multiverse" scenerios in which every possible thing happens in infinite parallel universes.
In either scenerio, evolution happens, but Wolfram's hypothesis would explain why the probabilities favor evolution.
To: donh
Post Hoc, ergo propter hoc. Look up the patent. And look up the logical fallacy.
To: AndrewC
No you didn't. I have shown you that the circuit is not the one we have been talking about. And, in anycase, I do not accept a paper only "assertion" (simulation) no more than I accepted your posted assertions. If a spice output is good enough for the patent office, it is good enough for an argument on FR.
The evolved circuit is clearly more complicated but also contains redundant parts, such as the purple transistor, that contribute nothing to its functioning
So?
The mentioned part is clearly unterminated.
So what? So are stabalizing capacitors.
Solder 2 diodes back-to-back and see if you get a transistor.
This is a fundamental fact of circuit theory, taught to freshmen EE's the world over. That's exactly what you get when you "solder" two diodes together on the backplane of a piece of flat silicon.
1,464
posted on
05/15/2003 10:45:22 AM PDT
by
donh
(u)
To: js1138
You continue an unbroken streak of responding only to the Peripheral parts of any argument.And you continue to produce things that I did not write. I merely said they were provocative. I took no side in the actual statements.
To: AndrewC
Look up the patent. And look up the logical fallacy. I will expostulate further: When you are trying to make an argument that only humans can design, it is unpursuasive to offer as evidence that because humans designed a particular circuit, it is therefore the only candidate to have been designed. I'll go on at greater detail if you still cannot see why this is a post hoc, ergo propter hoc argument.
1,466
posted on
05/15/2003 10:50:20 AM PDT
by
donh
(u)
To: donh
This is a fundamental fact of circuit theory, taught to freshmen EE's the world over. That's exactly what you get when you "solder" two diodes together on the backplane of a piece of flat silicon.That is B.S. and you know it. It is taught as a concept, as I pointed out, and exactly the reason you put "solder" in quotes.
To: All
PLACEMARKER
1,468
posted on
05/15/2003 10:55:23 AM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
To: AndrewC
If you don't care to respond to the substance of an argument, why post at all. If you take the trouble to post a "provocative" quotation from a book, but have no opinion on the substance of the quote, why bother posting in the first place?
To: AndrewC
That is B.S. and you know it. It is taught as a concept, as I pointed out, and exactly the reason you put "solder" in quotes. I put "solder" in quotes, because all you can do with a solder gun is destroy both diodes, as you no doubt know. It is taught as a concept, because it is a concept, as are all other things taught to beginning EE's in circuit theory classes.
This is an absurd argument, based on you being as willfully ignorant, and/or pointlessly didactic as you can manage. Find a beginning college level EE theory book and look for yourself. This is a piece of commonplace knowledge to EE's.
1,470
posted on
05/15/2003 11:01:38 AM PDT
by
donh
(u)
To: PatrickHenry
But when a government becomes tyrannical and abusive with consistent, repeated violations of the peoples rights, with the intent to make them slaves of the state, then the people have the rightin fact, the duty to revolt against the government, and put ...
new rules --- in place to protect their future rights.
1,471
posted on
05/15/2003 11:03:28 AM PDT
by
f.Christian
(( the VERY sick mind - won't recognize facts -- REALITY -- probability anymore ! ))
To: js1138
If you take the trouble to post a "provocative" quotation from a book, but have no opinion on the substance of the quote, why bother posting in the first place?Gee, how about generating interest so that people will go look at the thread?
To: donh
I put "solder" in quotes, because all you can do with a solder gun is destroy both diodes, as you no doubt know. More B.S. I've soldered diodes back to back not to get a transistor but to get a bridge rectifier. The diodes were not destroyed. The bridge rectifier worked.
Left and right junctions, since you seem to have problems.
To: Nebullis
It's a computer program.. that should tell you something.
It should tell you it's behavior is only as accurate as the code that was compiled for it.
To: Nebullis
"Artificial life experiments"
The fact that scientists were involved and setting up the scenario in which to conduct the experiment kind of puts a dent in the idea that this provides any support for 'unguided' evolution.
To: donh
When you are trying to make an argument that only humans can design, Where did you find that strawman? The discussion has been over the performance of a circuit patented by humans and a virtual one that came about as a result of a genetic algorithm.
To: Junior
Placemarker.
1,477
posted on
05/15/2003 12:30:58 PM PDT
by
Junior
(Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
To: Junior
uri geller anarcho-loon alert !
1,478
posted on
05/15/2003 12:37:33 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(( the VERY sick mind - won't recognize facts -- REALITY -- probability anymore ! ))
To: Ichneumon
Trollish Behavior #5: I didn't use it as an "argument", silly, I offered it as a plainly labeled speculative explanation. Stop playing games, Troll.
Yeah, it's so silly to jump to the conclusion that the
two are different circuits. What are you thinking? For shame. </sarcasm>
1,479
posted on
05/15/2003 1:15:34 PM PDT
by
Nataku X
(Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
To: Nakatu X
Yeah, it's so silly to jump to the conclusion that the two are different circuits. Are they the same circuit?
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