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Hatch group may go ‘nuclear’ on judges: Plan would limit use of Rule XXII in Dem filibusters
The Hill ^ | 5/7/03 | Alexander Bolton and Geoff Earle

Posted on 05/07/2003 1:38:13 PM PDT by Jean S

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To: JeanS
And just as I post that rant... the strategy involved here hits me.
And Republicans on the Judiciary Committee expect Democrats soon to filibuster two more Bush nominees: Bill Pryor, nominated to the 11th Circuit Court, and Carolyn Kuhl, nominated to the 9th Circuit Court, said Margarita Tapia, spokeswoman for the panel.

However, what may be really at stake is the future makeup of the Supreme Court.

The Democrats keep adding to the filibustering. Two now, two more to come. Eventually, the case that something unprecedent is happening becomes overwhelming, to where there is political cover for doing something unprecedented in response. Something unprecedented that destroys the ability to filibuster judges, even when nominated for the Supreme Court.

This is about the Supreme Court, and the Republicans are letting the Democrats load the cannon that is pointing at their last line of defense.

81 posted on 05/07/2003 3:21:27 PM PDT by William McKinley (And the Crimson Dynamo just couldn't cut it no more...)
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To: JeanS
Republicans will not always be the majority. This would be a stupid mistake that would come back at some future time and leave teeth marks in their behind.

What they need to do is cancel that changes in the filibuster rule. Require the senators to stand up and talk to maintain a filibuster.

CSpan would provide endless material for the Republican Ads in the next election.
82 posted on 05/07/2003 3:22:12 PM PDT by eFudd
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To: JeanS
Will we see this tomorrow, when Frist has scheduled cloture votes on Estrada and Owen, or will they perhaps wait until they have a few more nominees filibustered.

IOW, what did Hatch mean when he said "when the time is right"?
83 posted on 05/07/2003 3:22:54 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: dwilli
"Now the party with 41 votes is the majprity and the party with 59 is the minority."

Then pray tell, why is it that no matter whether we're the minority party or the majority party, we're still the party getting screwed?

84 posted on 05/07/2003 3:23:47 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Tailback
"Exactly what working relationship is he talking about?"

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This is the same kind of talk, as when AFTER 9-11, some people thought we shouldn't go after the terrorists, because that would make them hate us.

Just as the terrorists only understand force, so do the Democrats. (Not that I want to imply that they are terrorists, but they certainly are using terrorist tactics)
85 posted on 05/07/2003 3:24:49 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: JeanS
I like this approach. Go, Hatch.

It's about time, that Republicans stop rolling over for Democrats.
86 posted on 05/07/2003 3:25:47 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: skinkinthegrass
The RAT BASTARDS are being led by SENATOR HITLARY CLINTON. Frist has been a miserable failure as the leader and I hope he doesn't blow this one.
87 posted on 05/07/2003 3:26:26 PM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: JeanS
If Republicans were able to force a change by jamming through a procedural ruling, “It would be a nuclear winter in the Senate,” said the aide. “This place would fall apart. It would be dire consequences if that happened, in my opinion.”

Not only that, more Europeans will hate us, N Korea will start selling nukes, the arab street will erupt, the King of Jordan will be deposed, and three thousand oil wells will burst into flame causing a global catastrophe and real nuclear winter, for starters.

88 posted on 05/07/2003 3:28:47 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: sweetliberty
Then pray tell, why is it that no matter whether we're the minority party or the majority party, we're still the party getting screwed?

Eunuchs.

89 posted on 05/07/2003 3:30:20 PM PDT by michigander
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To: michigander
Maybe we should learn to quit bending over.
90 posted on 05/07/2003 3:33:39 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: All

Working relationship, screw then, go for it...


91 posted on 05/07/2003 3:34:10 PM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: eFudd
The Republican will not always be in the White House, and if we roll over on this, we lose our ability to name the federal judges, including Supreme Court Justices.
92 posted on 05/07/2003 3:36:13 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: ksen
*yawn!* Wake me if this really happens.....zzzzzzzz....... copy that. the old empty threat to get the conservative base to stop being disgusted for a moment before they use the constitution for toilet paper just like campaign finance reform.

Eddie01

93 posted on 05/07/2003 3:36:23 PM PDT by The Real Eddie01 (Liberals Lie about Everything all the Time)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The Republican's will roll. All is lost. Best to just admit that now.

Orin Hatch has no backbone.

Eddie01
94 posted on 05/07/2003 3:38:19 PM PDT by The Real Eddie01 (Liberals Lie about Everything all the Time)
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To: The Real Eddie01
I'm not so sure.
95 posted on 05/07/2003 3:39:41 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: JeanS
This really is an amazing article.
although the aide said it would be extraordinary to ignore the parliamentarian’s ruling.
Why don't reporters ever call these anonymous Democrat aides on the fact that what the Democrats are doing now with their multiple fillibusters is already an extraordinary thing, and that they should expect extraordinary (and escalated) responses?
96 posted on 05/07/2003 3:42:07 PM PDT by William McKinley (And the Crimson Dynamo just couldn't cut it no more...)
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To: sweetliberty
Agreed.
However, this rule change should be limited to when the Senate's "Advice and Consent" is constitutionally required and only a simple majority vote is required to enact.
98 posted on 05/07/2003 3:48:03 PM PDT by michigander
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To: Patriotic Bostonian
I hope the GOP Senate leadership takes note...The House of Rep. is going forward w/ GWBs' plan...yes, I know there is only 52 Senators...it would be nice to see some backbone.
99 posted on 05/07/2003 3:49:25 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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