The Pastor Without a Paycheck

Christianity Today ^ | 04/22/2003 | By Tim Stafford

[AppyPappy]

Anyone can hide behind God to justify their criminal behavior. I could just easily say that God wants me to to kill prostitutes and homosexuals.

A true prophet claims to be on God's side. A false prophet claims God is on his side. See the difference?

[mommybain]

Has anyone here read any of Randy Alcorn's books? Just curious.....I have.

[BibChr]

I'm fairly clear on what you HAVEN'T done. That wasn't the question.

I really would appreciate if you would go back and answer my actual questions -- I've asked you several. I am interested in your answer.

Dan

[BibChr]

I could just easily say that God wants me to to kill prostitutes and homosexuals.

Not really. God forbids murder and vigilantism.

Is it really your position that we are never to break manmade law? Are you regretful of the American Revolution?

Dan

[AppyPappy]

This is what I love about you John McArthur types: You advocate something that 95% of Christians say would be a better response--"witness lawfully outside of clinics"--yet make no provision to actually do so

That's what I love about you bomb throwers. You always want someone else to pull the trigger in the name of Jesus. Jesus wants you to kill abortionists. Why don't you do it? Do you hate Jesus?

When was the last time YOU were arrested for Jesus?

[AppyPappy]

I'm fairly clear on what you HAVEN'T done

Describe for me what I haven't done, Dan. I'll wait patiently.

[VRWC_minion]

All this guy did was sully the pro-life cause for a few minutes of glory.

This was pretty much Judas's complaint about Jesus.

Jesus did many symbolic protests including the one where he chased out the money changers in the temple. The power of that act has survived the centuries and has power for people today to fight against evil.

[joesnuffy]

I got one of his books right here... "Deadline" not too bad...his writtten 11 books..
he should be ok..
If the real "baby killers" get off his back

[Colofornian]

shamed the pro-life cause by engaging in criminal behavior

Again, I suppose Rahab "shamed the Israelite cause by engaging in criminal behavior." How dare both James and the author of Hebrews cite her favorably in the New Testament! I suppose you'll need to take them to task when you get to heaven. Paul was called a trouble-maker, was accused of being an assassin, was repeatedly arrested. That black sheep, Paul. He was such a nuisance to our prideful reputation.

for publicity

There you go, judging Randy Alcorn's motives. So glad you can venture into his heart & know what his motivation was. You can judge a man's fruit--his behavior--but not his motives. You're superimposing the motive.

Believe me, pro-life folks can protest without risking arrest if they just wanted to do so for publicity sake. When they do so, those are symbolic gestures. When they risk arrest, those are NOT symbolic gestures.

Just be thankful that Jesus didn't simply make "a symbolic prayerful gesture" from heaven to save us. Instead, He came down to earth in human form to bodily block the door to hell on our behalf. It wasn't a publicity stunt. It wasn't symbolic. It wasn't a gesture. It riled the prince of this earth and the religious & political authorities. It was pure self-sacrifice.

I like what Randy Alcorn has done for the pre-born better than what most pro-lifers in name only have not done for the pre-born.

[VRWC_minion]

Are you regretful of the American Revolution? Dan

I'm beginning to wonder, the more I understand the bible teaching regarding authority.

[Colofornian]

When was the last time YOU were arrested for Jesus?

1990 Did jail time for peacefully sitting in front of an abortion clinic. "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' " (Matt. 25:44-45)

[BibChr]

No need for sarcasm.

You haven't done what this man did, what you are criticizing. The point of your posting here thus far.

And now, please do answer my questions.

Dan

[BibChr]

I agree, I think it's a valid question; I also think there's an answer, but I do want to try to stay with the subject. I'm having a really tough time getting Pappy to do more than criticize people, say what shouldn't be done, and be sarcastic.

Dan

[Colofornian]

bomb throwers

So everybody who peacefully sits down in front of an abortion clinic to block the door is a "bomb thrower?"

[repubmom]

Here is Randy's web site. http://www.epm.org.

He sends out a free newsletter with a lot of great information and challenging articles. One thing about Randy and Nanci - they live out their faith to the nth degree. No compromises. They have such integrity.

[SauronOfMordor]

Simple question: Why not just obey the law? People like this deserve the misery they give themselves.

The same could have been said of the people who operated the (illegal) Underground Railway in the 19th Century, and those who (illegally) hid Jews in their homes in Europe in the 1930's and 40's

[AppyPappy]

Are you unable to discern the difference between non-violent protests and bomb throwing?

Bomb throwing is slang for outrageous acts, not necessarily avtually bombs.

[BibChr]

All that surely seems to come out in the article. HIs Pro-Life Answers was a really good book.

I'm unsure why some seem to find him so threatening that he needs to be attacked, not simply disagreed with. Does his example of laying his all on the line for his convictions convict the smugly inactive? I don't know; it happens.

Dan

[AppyPappy]

C'mon Dan. You already witnessed that you know that I haven't done anything. Why would I bother to defend myself? You know every hair on my head.