Posted on 04/23/2003 5:14:43 AM PDT by miltonim
Neither is getting arrested. It's a useless gesture that enables the pro-abortion crowd to paint the pro-life crowd as criminals. And it's easy to do when you can show pro-life people being led away in handcuffs.
Please, please, you're guilty of (a) assuming I support anti-war protestors; and (b) equivocation--you're assuming that anti-war protestors are committing a direct act of saving someone's life. The "best" anyone could concede (and I don't concede it) about anti-war protestors is that in some circumstances they could indirectly save lives--were it an unjust war. The war in Iraq is a just war precisely because it saves more lives.
I support our troops
The real issue is do you support the lives of pre-born? Do I support the lives of pre-born? As Rush Limbaugh asked the anti-war folks, "How do you support the troops?" How is that practically fleshed out? The answer obviously was that they don't. The answer from many paper-tiger pro-lifers about how they support the lives of the pre-born is that they don't (other than lip service).
Please, please, you're guilty of (a) assuming I think babies lives are useless.
Physician, heal thyself.
I'm glad to see you so quickly put these folks in the same camp as the Apostle Paul, Silas, Rahab (who's listed in the Hall of Fame of the Christian faith in Hebrews 11), the Hebrew Spies, Moses' mom, the angel who told Jesus' family to scoot to Egypt, etc.
All earthly authority is not authorized by God. Otherwise, you would have to conclude that Saddam Hussein was to be obeyed 100% Is that your conclusion? Was it OK for any of the generals or other dissidents, etc. to disobey Hussein? Or do we throw discernment out the window. Acts 5 tells us, "We obey God rather than man."
If you as a person had no class status--say you were a slave in 1850...I could just hear you saying, "It's not as if the Underground Railroad didn't have a leagal means of reaching the slave-owners."
Because some people see the need to act on their convictions.
Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
I supposed if some religious do-gooder had intervened in the taking of the life of Lacey Petersen & her unborn baby that, too, would have been the "exaltation of one's personal religious beliefs over other's right to about their business. As Dickens said, "Mankind is our business."
You're the one who claims that Randy Alcorn's act was useless. If you were to hold in your arms the baby saved by the acts of Randy & collective others, would you have the nerve to look that baby directly in the face and conclude, "Their act was a useless symbolic gesture?"
I've seen one of those babies and heard and read specific names of others. They're alive; the others the so-called pro-life community has failed to save and God will hold us accountable (Proverbs 24:11-12).
May I remind you that Paul & Silas were "criminals"? May I remind you that much of the persecuted church today are deemed "criminals" by the authorities? Has Easter already run so quickly past that ye forget that Jesus was arrested, deemed a "criminal" & given the death sentence--dying between two thieves? Yeah, yeah, I suppose in your world, religion could do without troublemakers like this lot.
No, babies alive now are equally important in the eyes of God to babies that will be conceived in the future. It's a worldview otherwise known as "The sanctity of human life." It's we so-called "pro-lifers" who don't want to be inconvenienced or live sacrifically on behalf of our pre-born neighbors who find it expedient that the many should die for maintaining the status quo of our lifestyles--whether it be crossless living of "pro-lifers" or promiscuous living of those who abort.
Where do you get that? How do you know that? I missed that element in the story.
I don't understand where you're coming from, overall. Certainly Matthew 7:1 is a grossly-abused verse, but it does mean something. What do you think the difference is between what Jesus prohibits, and what you just did? Do you care?
Dan
In most rescues police shut down the clinics for the entire day if enough rescuers were there...or for half the day since they had to carry limp folks. Some women left & rescheduled; others left & did not return. Others talked w/sidewalk counselors in the interim & went to crisis pregnancy centers.
did more than days of witnessing lawfully outside of clinic
This is what I love about you John McArthur types: You advocate something that 95% of Christians say would be a better response--"witness lawfully outside of clinics"--yet make no provision to actually do so. If Christians witnessed en masse outside of clinics from 1973 onward, I don't believe the Rescue movement would have started.
So criminals are heroes?
I haven't shamed the pro-life cause by engaging in criminal behavior for publicity if that is what you mean. Although I have been called "useless" because I refused to support the killing of abortion doctors.
(a) It depends on how many other abortionists are in a given region to pick up the slack; (b) I don't know--I'm not an "insider" as to how many killings any given abortionist is making. (c) I've talked w/former abortion clinic operator Carol Everett. The abortion industry is both a mission field and a battlefield. We dare not lose sight of that. Pro-life speakers like Scott Klusendorf conclude that had the European "Underground" simply murdered more S.S. & Nazi exterminators, it may not have ultimately saved the lives of more Jews...in fact, Scott claims more Jews would have died.
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