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Posted on 04/16/2003 5:44:44 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: jimt
Sorry, there's no comparison.
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:46:09 AM PDT
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Lady Eileen
If Walt shows up to berate you and/or the author, all you need to know to cut through his erudite arguments is that he voted for Klinton twice. That says it all.
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:46:13 AM PDT
by
jimt
(Support our troops !)
To: Corin Stormhands
The U.S. Government was at war at the same time, yet our Government carried on as before. Also, no contingency of war prevented Jefferson Davis from appointing federal judges, etc.
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:48:28 AM PDT
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Constitution Day
What is the Wlat Brigade?
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:49:36 AM PDT
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Lady Eileen
DiLorenzo's work is filled with laughably inaccurate data.
Walt
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:56:09 AM PDT
by
WhiskeyPapa
(Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
To: Grand Old Partisan
Walt, if he had lived 150 years ago, would have been Lincoln's Lewinsky. He's deeply entrenched in the Lincoln-as-Christ myth and is the non-titular head of a group of similar thinking cut n' pasters on FR.
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:56:54 AM PDT
by
Treebeard
(It's Easter, Walt, and Lincoln ain't comin outta the tomb...)
To: Comus
The end of Slavery - right? Wrong! The end of the Constitutional Republic!
There is not a nickel's worth of difference in how Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Jackson and Lincoln viewed the nature of the Constitution and the nature of the Union.
Walt
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posted on
04/16/2003 6:58:13 AM PDT
by
WhiskeyPapa
(Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
To: okchemyst
Thanks. Over-veneration of Abraham Lincoln is as much a disservice as trashing him. Democrat historians over-emphasize Lincoln in order to remove him from his proper context as a Republican. I make that point very strongly in my book and presentations.
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posted on
04/16/2003 7:00:30 AM PDT
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
To: Corin Stormhands
Oh, and I suppose that had nothing to do with the fact that they were AT WAR the whole frickin' time they were in existence, now does it? A declaration of war gave the Davis regime the OK to ignore their constitution at will? If that is the case when why do you southern supporters complain about what you believe were Lincoln's constitutional violations?
To: jimt
The Confederate did not even pretend to follow their own constitution. Neither did Lincoln.
Yes he did.
Nothing President Lincoln did was beyond the powers of the president as described in the Constitution.
Walt
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posted on
04/16/2003 7:02:26 AM PDT
by
WhiskeyPapa
(Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
To: Grand Old Partisan
Here we go again. I'm ready GOP.
To: jimt
Nonsense.
Jefferson Davis refused to act outside the bounds of the Confederate Constitution, and it brought his government to ruins.
The Founding Fathers did not mean for the Constitution to be a straightjacket to prevent ourselves from destruction. It is why they allowed us to even rewrite the whole thing if need be.
To: Non-Sequitur
It's too early in the year for reruns, but here we go again. Why don't you Jesus H. Lincoln types pool your resources (ha), take a day of leave, assuming you have jobs, and go debate DiLorenzo in an open forum? You and Wlatimir Pootin have both slandered him here, so take your little intellectual jihad on the road.
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posted on
04/16/2003 7:07:32 AM PDT
by
Treebeard
(Every Halloween, the Great Emancipator rises out of the pumpkin patch...)
To: Grand Old Partisan
I regard Lincoln as America's Saviour, in much the same way that Christ was Mankind's Saviour.
To: Valin
The conventional wisdom in America is that Abraham Lincoln was a great emancipator who preserved American liberties. In recent years, new research has portrayed a less-flattering Lincoln that often behaved as a self-seeking politician who catered to special interest groups. So which is the real Lincoln?
Both
How do you reconcile your statement with the fact that Lincoln was pretty sure in his own mind that he would lose the 1864 election? In August, 1864 he was actually asked by the head of the Republican Party to withdraw. Failing that, he was asked to rescind the Emancipation Proclamation to increase his chances of winning. He flatly refused. And Lincoln was a very experienced campaigner, and he had lost a number of elections.
He said, according to [David H. ]Donald, "But now, if he followed their advice, he would have to do without the help of nearly 200,000 black men in the service of the Union. In that case 'we would be compelled to abandon the war in 3 weeks.' Practical considerations aside, there was the moral issue. How could anybody propose 'to return to slavery the black warriors of Port Hudson and Olustee to their masters to conciliate the South?' "I should be damned in time and eternity for so doing,' he told his visitors (Gov. Randall, and Judge Mills, both from Wisconsin). "The world will know that I keep my faith to friends and enemies, come what will.'"
I'd be very glad if you could show that -ever- Lincoln undertook -any- action on behalf of a special interest group.
Walt
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posted on
04/16/2003 7:08:30 AM PDT
by
WhiskeyPapa
(Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
To: leadpencil1
ping
To: republicanwizard
Seek help. LOTS of it.
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posted on
04/16/2003 7:09:11 AM PDT
by
Treebeard
(Every Halloween, the Great Emancipator rises out of the pumpkin patch...)
To: okchemyst
If we want to debate idiots, we'll go on the street and find an average Democrat.
To: okchemyst
Why travel when we have so many people here who have swallowed Tommy DiLusional's confederate kool-aid?
To: okchemyst
Thanks for your advice. Now go put up your Confederate Flag instead of an American one. After all, it was that evil Lincoln who prevented the American flag from being destroyed.
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