Inside the hell of Saddam's torture chambers

The Times ^ | April 9, 2003 | Daniel McGrory

[The Great RJ]

Saddam’s jailers were meticulous record-keepers. They pinned photographs inside the documents showing how the prisoner was bearing up to various stages of torture. They finished with pictures of the battered and bloodied body after execution.

Too bad AlJazeera's isn't showing these photos or interviewing the ordinary Iraqis who were tortured here.

[MadIvan]

This should have to be read by every high school and college student.

Agreed. And the same should apply to the professors and teachers who preside over their classes.

Regards, Ivan

[oyez]

Tuol Sleng Prison

Wasn't the Pol Pot's institution?

[mel]

This alone is enough to justify the war, IMHO.

[andysandmikesmom]

I saw this on TV today, showing the Iraqi people, going through this building, and showing the torture cells...it was so gut wrenching to watch these people, some of whom were prisoners there, as they walked around...some of them were shaking, and sweating, a man showed how he had to cower in the corner, because the cell he was imprisoned in, was jammed full with other prisoners...

The part where they showed the area, where the women and even the children were kept as prisoners, just made me so sick...

And it makes me even sicker, to realize that France and Germany, and China and Russia could not have the courage to admit that this was going on, and have the courage to commit to stopping it...oh no, they were more concerned about their 'economic' deals, with Hussein...

Shame on those countries, they should be made to walk into the prison, and talk to the former prisoners, and then try to justify their cowardly position...

[Eva]

Yes, I was including France in the perpetrators of the earlier murderous regimes, we simply freed France the way we freed Iraq. France should have been included in the occupation following WWII, maybe then they would have learned their lesson.

[crobnson]

It is so easy for people who live in countries that are not like this to ignore it. I don't believe was should be used as a first course of action but, I also believe that it is our duty as human beings, to help those who cannot help themselves. There are countries out there that are in bad shape, but the people voted their leaders in and they do not lose their tongues for complaining. In regards to Iraq, there was nothing the people could do, they were totally helpless. We may be winning this war, but look at what it is taking to do that. What would the people of Iraq do to win it by themselves? And as for the other Arab countries who are crying so much about us going in, shut the f*** up already!!!

[TomB]

Here is the chart I linked here the other day. It was compiled by a FRENCH blogger!

[alrea]

God bless you Dubya, for putting a stop to this Demon

never forget

[Belial]

Brazil had more than the US and UK combined.

Yeah, I would be interested in some proof of your assertion that Brazil gave Saddam more support than the US.

After all, I could post that New Guinea gave Saddam the bomb, and that wouldn't make it true.

[Dolphy]

That's a bunch of nonsense. Read a little about Saddam's rise to power.

This would seem to indicate that you have read a little and understand that why, in the beginning, the west did embrace a secular leader who seemed interested science and progress. When he went bad, or if he was always bad, or if the US made the wrong choice in the face of two evils has little to do with the present. When the world was called to account for their poor judgement, their humanity, their sense of liberty, their desire to disarm a sadistic tyrant, etc., France, Germany and Russia didn't answer.

[epow]

We must remember that it is a never-ending fight to stop this from ever happening again

I'm afraid that as long as their are fools like those at the UN in positions of authority and influence it will keep on happening in various hellholes all around the world. If not for the strength of character and fortitude of men like Bush and Blair, the see-no-evil paper shufflers at the UN would still be allowing this outrage to continue in Iraq.

Thank God for the freedom loving Anglo-Saxon nations of the world. We (Americans, Brits, Anzacs, etc) seem to always end up being the ones who pay the price to stop this kind of inhuman evil, while the rest of the world looks the other way and pretends it can't hear the screams.

[TomB]

Here's another link to a story about the children's prisons.

Jailed Iraqi children run free as Marines roll into Baghdad suburbs

I know this will give me nightmares tonite.

Just to see how they were reacting, I went over to DU to see if this article was posted. It was and the discussion turned my stomach. There are no more uncaring, hateful people than those leftists. They all turned their noses up and proclaimed it a fabrication. After all, they reasoned, Saddam freed everyone from the prisons last year, so there couldn't be kid behind bars over there.

I don't know who is more execrable, the people who did this, or the ones who continue to ignore it.

[MonroeDNA]

"I know, but these people have got to learn about law and order and civilized ways of dealing with criminals. \\"

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, by the blood of patriots, and tyrants."

Now IS the time for Iraqu\is to takt things into their own hands, and deal with the leftovers how they will. They know best.

I, for one, applaud them. Coming to socialists near you. Yes, Saddam's party is officially called the SOCIALIST ba'ath party. You just never get to see that in the socialsit media.

[tracer]

"......but these people have got to learn about law and order and civilized ways of dealing with criminals."

Oh, there'll be plenty of time for that later on.

In the meantime, graphic reportage of the earthly wages of the sins of Saddam's hyenas will serve as an example and unforgettable warning to all who would seek to oppress and slaughter innocents in the future.

There likely is no better way to show the world that the defenseless and oppressed are not necessarily such forever.

Indeed, it would appear that the sanitary executions and "Christian burials" of the oh-so-neatly tried and convicted Nazi war criminals did little to capture the hearts and minds of subsequent evil-doers and tyrants in every corner of the globe....

[Belial]

That chart is obviously compiled by someone unfamiliar with the English language.

What data specifically does it represent? The units of measurement are not labelled. How are weapons defined?

Here's a link with some specifics. It describes how many Reagan officials, including Rumsfeld, continued to advance Iraq's weapons program after they used chemical weapons on their own people.

[Belial]

When he went bad, or if he was always bad, or if the US made the wrong choice in the face of two evils has little to do with the present.

The past has little to do with the present? Maybe to cocker-spaniels.

[nicmarlo]

I don't know who is more execrable, the people who did this, or the ones who continue to ignore it.

Then, you'll just love what Ramsey Clark (former Atty General under LBJ) says (March 30, 2003): Ramsey Clark: Saddam Not Brutal

Appeasement movement leader and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark defended Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein on Friday, saying that reports of his brutality were part of a U.S.-backed disinformation campaign.

Asked about an eyewitness account of the torture death of an Iraqi dissident who was put in a glass cage and eaten alive by dogs while Saddam and other top leaders watched, Clark told WLIE-NY radio's Mike Siegel, "That's the most absurd story I've heard in a long time."

* * *

The anti-war leader said that other accounts from Iraqi defectors who have described Saddam's brutality, as well as reports of terrorist training operations inside Iraq, were probably false.

"I've worked with problems of defection and informers for years and years and they're not generally reliable," Clark told WLIE. "You have to be careful about who you're talking to. I also recognize propaganda. And I hear more garbage and propaganda coming out about how evil the Iraqi people are."

[MonroeDNA]

Welcome, sleeper freeper.

What's your point, and how does it fit this thread, other than trying to hijack it?

[jaz.357]

All done with the full support of Ed Asner, Susan Sarandon, Mike Farell, Matt Damon, George Clooney,Tim Robbins, Martin Sheen, Sean Penn,David Ducovney, Samuel Jackson,Lauren Hutton, ANSWER. ....AND FREERERS WILL NEVER LET THEM FORGET!