Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

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[Marysecretary]

No disagreement here, stayathomemom!

[DensaMensa]

}But the Jews are still the historical "Chosen People." As Christians we can never forget that.

Why? What differentiates Jews from the Christians in the "chosen people" department? I think nice but naive Christians are being take for a huge guilt-driven ride with this carefully marketed claim.

} We should support a truly religious Israel. The secular Israel that exists today we must support while holding our nose.

Sorry, but why? How does secular Israel today connect with religious and historical Israel of old? To assume they are the same is a huge stretch IMHO. Having the same name is in itself meaningless

[Marysecretary]

Absolutely right, Blue Scourge!

[sauropod]

I did not say that a secular and a religous Israel were the same thing.

I do say they face the same enemy.

BTW, it is our obligations as Christians to support Israel no matter what.

[DannyTN]

"He wasn't invited to prosletyze. "

You could say that the Jews were prosletyzing by demanding Jesus be taken out of the prayer. It's two sides of the same coin.

We need to learn to respect each other's religious rights and differences in beliefs. Not homogenize and whitewash our beliefs until they are acceptable to everyone else. That's why not participating in a prayer should be acceptable, while forcing everyone to pray a watered down version that is acceptable to everyone will never work.

[Marysecretary]

You hit that one on the head, MadMonk!

[DensaMensa]

}I did not say that a secular and a religous Israel were the same thing.

OK, I shouldn't have assumed that. But it did seem like the next step. What else is there to contrast secular Israel with???

}BTW, it is our obligations as Christians to support Israel no matter what.

How do you arrive at that, "no matter what"?

[sauropod]

Because my friend, that is what the Bible says.

[DensaMensa]

}Because my friend, that is what the Bible says.

The Bible says lot of things, my friend. How about Chapter and verse to back up the claim?

[Marysecretary]

Well, Illbay, when a Christian prays, s/he's giving a christian prayer. Can't separate the two.

[sauropod]

It was stated earlier in this thread. Thanks for asking.

[saradippity]

I always thought that it was the Israelites who were God's Chosen.I also thought that some Israelites were from the tribe of Judah and thus were "Chosen". I am not at all sure if those of the tribe of Judah,who lived in Judea at the time of Christ were the people we now call Jews.I have heard that it was only because of difficulties in translating the Bible into English that the term Jew was used to connote those people who were religious Israelites,living in Judea at the time of Christ.Any thoughts,you seem to be very knowledgeable about scripture,I am not. Thanks.

[Marysecretary]

It does feel that way sometimes, doesn't it lizma?

[DensaMensa]

Sorry, I find no Bible verses in this thread which support your claim. Which post # are you referring to?

[saradippity]

That's kind of what I think too. Interesting thread.

[DensaMensa]

}I always thought that it was the Israelites who were God's "Chosen".

That is also my impression. I have not seen any Biblical references (yet at least) which call anyone but the Israelites from all of the tribes "chosen". That of course begs the question "chosen for what?"

[malakhi]

I am requesting a source for a very serious claim you made about the Catholic Church. Do you have a title and page number?

You might want to start with the writings of St. John Chrysostom, and proceed to the canons of the Fourth Lateran Council.

[kkindt]

Won't He do? Jesus claimed to be God. We Christians believe He is God. So when we are not allowed to pray in His name we are denied our freedom to pray to Him.

[Marysecretary]

I love this crap about separation of church and state. They get a lot of mileage out of this lie from hell.