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Bye Ford, we'll miss you
UPI | The Bear's Lair ^ | 3/17/2003 | Martin Hutchinson

Posted on 03/18/2003 12:16:42 PM PST by sourcery

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To: RnMomof7
If you're being sarcastic, you know we have a rule about that here ;)

Otherwise yes, that is the situation that unions have put us in.
21 posted on 03/18/2003 2:24:11 PM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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To: Willie Green
The annual revenues of these transnational corporations exceeds the GDP of many developed nations. As such, their financial influence corruptly distorts and dictates national policies to the detriment of citizens those governments supposedly represent.

Willie, this is called serious trouble.

Most frightening are Ford's financial statements, in particular its balance sheet. At December 31, 2002, the company had only $5.6 billion of stockholders' equity, compared with $162 billion of debt. Of course, this includes the financing activities of Ford Credit, so the balance sheet is partly that of a bank. Even so, a decline in stockholders equity from $18.6 billion in 2000 to $5.6 billion in 2002 suggests that all is far from well, and that the company's financial flexibility is extremely limited.

Ford is on the ropes and it looks like in the not too distant future, you will be able to post the Mother of all Layoff threads.

22 posted on 03/18/2003 2:39:31 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: toddst; Willie Green
Where does it end?

I thought it never would. (Maybe next time a brief excerpt, with a simple link to the rest of it, would suffice?)

23 posted on 03/18/2003 2:42:55 PM PST by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. :-)
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To: uncitizen
I worry alot about the younger families and how they will deal with real estate deflation and morgages for the pre deflation costs..
24 posted on 03/18/2003 2:54:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I don't think we're there yet. We've got 10-15 years left til meltdown.
25 posted on 03/18/2003 2:58:03 PM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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To: sourcery
My wife wants us to buy one of these:

But I'm Buying American this time around.

26 posted on 03/18/2003 3:03:49 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: Hatteras
Just bought a ragtop 2003 Cobra. I will never buy a German Chrysler
27 posted on 03/18/2003 3:05:05 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: bigfootbob
Look what the teachers union has done the the education complex in America. The strongest union in America is the government workers union, be afraid.

In Michigan there are more members of the teachers union than there are members of the UAW. Forbes wrote about this a few years ago.



28 posted on 03/18/2003 3:05:49 PM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: newgeezer; toddst
(Maybe next time a brief excerpt, with a simple link to the rest of it, would suffice?)

I wish I could.
Unfortunately, it is no longer available online at the original source Automotive Industries, and what I have is what I managed to salvage from a Google cache.

What I'd really like is a source for more current 2003 information.
I'm still looking, but I haven't come across anything yet.

29 posted on 03/18/2003 3:07:53 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Ditto
compared with $162 billion of debt.

Heck Ditto. Ford's debt is about the same as its annual revenue.
That puts them in a helluva lot more solid financial footing than the federal government, and that doesn't seem to phase Dubya or the bushbots one iota.

30 posted on 03/18/2003 3:16:38 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: uncitizen
Unions are taking out another of America's oldest corporations (the entire industry for that matter).

Normally I like to blame unions for companies problems, but Ford brought this upon itself. GM is competing even with the high union costs.

First problem that Ford has a poor concept of customer service. About two years ago the vice president of Ford quit because, the customer service department wasn't allowed to inform engineering of any customer complaints. According to this vice president the rationale for this, was that Ford didn't want to risk having to issue recalls based on customer complaints.

Piss, poor engineering. I should admit I am a bit biased against Ford, because I had to recently trade in my 98 Ford Contour, because of mechanical problems that would cost three or four thousand dollars to fix. I had this car for five years. (Prior to this I had two other Ford vehicles, and I didn't have to many problems with them.) About every six months I would get a new recall notice for something that needed to be replaced on this vehicle. I think I was up to 6 or 7 recalls on this vehicle. In addition, this doesn't include the items on the vehicle that I had to be replaced for free, because Ford extended the warrenty on certain parts. (I wish they would have told me of all of the warrenty extentions, because after I traded in my car I found out from a friend that the struts would be replaced for free.)

Ford needs to reign their dealers in. When I was shopping for a new vehicle, I thought I would see what Ford was offering. After walking into the showroom I thought I was going to get raped by the sales person. He put so much pressure on me, that afterwards I had to go home and take a shower becuase I felt slimy. The Chevy dealership where I ended up buying my car, I felt more relaxed and confortable there. And they were about $2000 cheaper then the Ford dealer for similar vehicles (Escort ZX-2 verses a Cavalier.)

After these experiences with Ford I will never ever set foot on a Ford lot again. As far as I am concerned if Ford goes out of business, I wouldn't shed any tears. I fact, if Ford declares bankruptcy it might be a good thing, becuase it would end Ford legacy costs, union contracts, and I think new management would be a good thing.

31 posted on 03/18/2003 3:19:13 PM PST by cpprfld
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To: RnMomof7
If it weren't for unions you wouldn't have $50 000 SUVs
32 posted on 03/18/2003 3:23:19 PM PST by Dat
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To: cpprfld
You've got some good points there. However, i'm a cynical FReeper and became suspicious with the ongoing barage of recalls of Ford and Firestone tires. It was beginning to look like Ford was being targeted.

Once Ford is brought down, who do you suppose will buy the company at rock bottom prices?
33 posted on 03/18/2003 3:29:11 PM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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To: Ditto
Ford is on the ropes and it looks like in the not too distant future, you will be able to post the Mother of all Layoff threads.

You're spreading too much doom and gloom, Ditto.
What's the worst that can happen?
Ford goes bankrupt, screwing current stockholders who've invested their retirment funds.
But China will buy the assets for pennies on the dollar and keep the factories open.
It should make the liberatarian free traders very happy.

34 posted on 03/18/2003 3:34:04 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: uncitizen
For instance, an educated electrical engineer is not gonna sit back and let an uneducated auto worker make more than he does.

Then the educated superior one has the same motive as the uneducated inferior one ---they both want more money. I'm not pro-union but why should a CEO be able to demand $1 million or more a year and it's okay but a union worker shouldn't ask for $30,000 a year? It's not like anyone is the owner, only stockholders are the owners ---how do CEOs get by with their outrageous salaries?

35 posted on 03/18/2003 3:35:27 PM PST by FITZ
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To: uncitizen
Once Ford is brought down, who do you suppose will buy the company at rock bottom prices?

China.

36 posted on 03/18/2003 3:35:29 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: uncitizen
The f*cking unions are un-American, despite their wrapping themselves in the Flag. 'Course, better not let Willie Green hear us say that...
37 posted on 03/18/2003 3:36:43 PM PST by dinodino
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To: uncitizen
Once Ford is brought down, who do you suppose will buy the company at rock bottom prices?

I'll only buy stock in a company where the union workers are making $30,000 a year and the CEO makes 3 times that much.

38 posted on 03/18/2003 3:37:07 PM PST by FITZ
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To: dinodino
HAHA, Holy Cow, Willie's already here. Figures.
39 posted on 03/18/2003 3:38:38 PM PST by dinodino
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To: FITZ
Well you'll need to check into Japanese auto companies then.

Maybe GM/Daimler Chrysler will be the one to buy Ford.
40 posted on 03/18/2003 3:39:28 PM PST by uncitizen (hostile freepers need not reply)
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