Posted on 03/14/2003 3:26:39 PM PST by B4Ranch
I have a great idea for all you founder channelers.
Leave. Cancel your passports, and find your perfect country in a 21st century world since the vast majority of your fellow countrymen disagree with you.
Of course, you'll be stuck living in some 3rd world hellhole in a cabin equipped like Ted Kazinsky's (since amenities only come in advanced societies with predictable economies and judicial systems - not in anarchy).
Exactly. And it ought not matter if the public gripe is that Bush is too weak or that Bush is too strong, or that there will be war or not war enough, or that lives will be lost or that not enough lives will be lost. Anyone who becomes critical of our policies and who does not align with our President in this time of crisis needs to be closely scrutinized.
Well, you know what they say about stopped clocks, and for the fact that the devil mixes his lies with the truth.
One of the things that we are supposed to do with our faculty for reason and adaptation is to confront each new issue and challenge with solutions that work within the framework of American ideals - not lock ourselves into a death pact that confines us to reactive moves only.
In other words, hanging a terrorist after the fact brings scant comfort to his victims and does not dissuade his colleagues one iota - shutting him down in advance works one helluva lot better.
The entire administration of x42 is traitorous,
Illegals come and go with impunity,
Those that are caught or identified get their wrists slapped,
etc., etc.
I agree ... the facts of what is really happening don't seem to be threatening .... during this administration.
The next socialist however ... therein lies the problem.
The law was changed by the Patriot Act. I haven't found any of the Patriot Act incorporated into the Findlaw database. You'd think they would have included it by now!
I think the concerns you mentioned are very reasonable ones. A thirty day period for review after the first 90 days might be better, a final limit -say a generous one of even a year- would help.
I'm not sure exactly what "good cause" means as a legal term. There should certainly be a high standard of neccessity to continue withholding the notification.
The standards for withholding notification are in section 2705 of Title 18 if you wish to look at them.
Well, in this case, it's to say what is a "reasonable" search.
Our Founders, with their appreciation of the separation of powers, meant for that to be determined by our elected officials and the courts, rather than by a policeman.
I completely agree. Particularly, I share your and CJ's suspicion of ACLU-type solutions - part of what I was referring to in my post to him about mixing lies with the truth. Those types say that government shouldn't even be allowed to keep tabs on people from a distance. I recall hearing that it even got to the point, sometime in the 1970's, where the FBI was even forbidden to keep newspaper clippings on file of people they were trying to investigate (I wish I had a source for that). This type of stuff creates a frustrating polarization in the debate, whereby if you have any legitimate concerns about powers that government is claiming, you must be on the side of the anti-newspaper-clippers (which I think is what the ACLU wants).
I'm not an expert on security, but like I said earlier on the thread, if the law enforcement agencies already have authorization under the Constitution to do certain things, then there's no need for Congress to pass an act which allows them to do it. If the Constitution doesn't give them authorization to do these things, then any attempt to do so by statute would constitute a usurpation.
All that aside, my point in bringing up the Founders was that even if these things are justified in the name of security, they're also dangerous to liberty, and therefore it doesn't help matters any by calling anyone who raises those concerns a "Chicken Little".
Our Founders, with their appreciation of the separation of powers, meant for that to be determined by our elected officials and the courts, rather than by a policeman.
The courts I can see, but not Congress. The Constitution doesn't give them the power of interpretation. That's a uniquely judicial function.
That view has gone out of favor though with the court's long history of supremacy in the matter.
I suppose the present view is that the legislature can interpret but if the court disagrees the court wins.
The legislature does have a role to play in writing laws you know.
Here they are writing laws about "reasonable" searches.
That's exactly true. You won't find too many. That's called "sitting in judgment of its own cause". The legislature was to be restrained by the Constitution, not interpret its way out of those restraints.
The legislature does have a role to play in writing laws you know.
...within the limits prescribed by the Constitution. They're not allowed to write laws that in any way tinker with those limits.
Unfreakin'believable.
MAYBE the leftists will back our armed forces in unity once ground troops move in-but I doubt it. The leftists are for polls and showboating and their ideals ONLY!
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