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Slain girl's mom files $30M lawsuit against DEA
San Antonio Express News ^
| 3/13/2003
| maro. robbins
Posted on 03/13/2003 8:08:49 AM PST by wildbill
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To: Roscoe
When it's needful I will... when you start addressing actual issues and knock off the FedGoon bs then I will start showing my cards. But that can't happen because you can't knock off your bs. It's outside your programming. Meanwhile, A Navy Vet can vouch for my bona fides... and if that won't do for you, tough. Suck it up.
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posted on
03/15/2003 8:23:43 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: A Navy Vet
We had some touches of it last night... about a quarter inch or so. Maybe it'll wash the roscoe off the streets there for you.
142
posted on
03/15/2003 8:25:04 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: wildbill
the mother of a slain 14-year-old girl filed Allowing her child to live in the home of a cocaine trafficker was completely stupid in the first place. Rival drug gangs will go and shoot up each other's homes and families. Anyone involved in drug trafficking doesn't much care about their kids.
143
posted on
03/15/2003 8:30:47 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: dcwusmc
actual issues Screeds versus facts. Pesky old facts.
144
posted on
03/15/2003 8:31:10 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Pesky old facts"The facts" -- for Roscoe:
1. Unmarked cars attempted to make a stop by 'boxing in'
2. In the attempt, the suspect attempted to flee.
3. The agents shot the driver.
4. The driver is dead.
5. The driver was a 14 year old girl.
Information from news reports (not necessarily confirmed):
6. The house was under surveillance.
7. Agents were dressed in plainclothes at the time of the shooting.
8. The girl tried to 'run them over'
9. The father was nowhere nearby.
10. The girl lived with her grandmother, not her father.
Given #1 and #3, I would have reacted exactly as the girl did, especially if I was in a bad neighborhood and someone in my family dealt drugs.
Is the father responsible for endangering her? Yes. I don't think that anyone really disputes this. The question which logically follows is, "Were the actions and tactics of the agents appropriate?"
145
posted on
03/16/2003 6:14:44 AM PST
by
Gianni
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To: Gianni
146
posted on
03/16/2003 7:20:55 AM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Your post is not an undisputed fact, and you failed to answer the question.
147
posted on
03/16/2003 10:06:16 AM PST
by
Gianni
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To: Gianni
Your assertion:
1. Unmarked cars attempted to make a stop by 'boxing in'
2. In the attempt, the suspect attempted to flee.
Law enforcement report:
"Federal officials say the car pulled away from the house at high speed with the headlights off. When agents tried to box the car in, they say, the girl kept coming toward them and crashed into their vehicle, then threw the car into reverse and rammed the DEA vehicle behind her."
So actually:
1. The suspect attempted to flee.
2. Unmarked police vehicles blocked the attempt by 'boxing in'
Your assertion had things backwards.
148
posted on
03/16/2003 10:32:01 AM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Gianni
You have to keep in mind that when Roscoe posts his roscoe, it comes from his FedGoon superiors. He is not allowed to stray from the current party line. You will notice that he posts his cut-n-paste (tm), he posts all FedGov sources as if somehow that lends authority and truthfullness to his roscoe. He seems genuinely convinced that FedGov cannot be wrong... much as a Christian is convinced of the infallibility of God, but with far, FAR less reason. Without slamming Catholics, I understand they believe in the infallibility of the Pope. I cannot, for he is human, but in that, Roscoe is like a Catholic, and his God is FedGov; his Pope is Dubya or almost any FedGov "official."
149
posted on
03/16/2003 11:27:44 AM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: dcwusmc
Those who invent "facts" hate sources.
150
posted on
03/16/2003 12:37:03 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
That is the first thing you have said with which I can agree 100%. You and your masters invent "facts" and use those to get legislation passed which contravenes the Constitution, then use that as precedent to get MORE legislation passed which further rapes the Constitution. You are so right on!
151
posted on
03/16/2003 1:09:49 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: dcwusmc
your masters invent "facts" Sourceless paranoia.
152
posted on
03/16/2003 1:14:25 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Here's SHEER FANTASY passed off as legal "thought":
This title may be cited as the 'Controlled Substances Act'.
§ 801. Congressional findings and declarations: controlled substances.
The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:
* (1) Many of the drugs included within this subchapter have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
* (2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
* (3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because -
o (A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
o (B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
o (C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.
* (4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.
* (5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
* (6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
* (7) The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961, and other international conventions designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in controlled substances.
Lies wrapped in lies, cloaked in untruths.
153
posted on
03/16/2003 1:30:59 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: dcwusmc
Here's SHEER FANTASY A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances doesn't flow through interstate and foreign commerce? I don't suppose you have a source?
154
posted on
03/16/2003 1:34:43 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Perhaps the substances DO flow through interstate commerce. So what? So does frozen orange juice. So do Computers. So do books. In other words, the SOLE LEGITIMATE function of the Federal Government, as clearly stated by the Founding Dads, was to ensure that each state treated trade with other states the same. No tariffs on goods coming to California from Arizona, for example. The founders did NOT intend that the ICC become a club in the hands of FedGov to beat up both the States and the Citizenry. You KNOW this, yet you keep beating the drums for the LIES that pass themselves off as political "thought" which is probably the most despicable and evil thing you can do... which is why you do it. You are evil personified. How unsurprising.
(By the way, we got some rain last night. Washed all the roscoe right off the streets. It was great to have clean streets this morning!)
155
posted on
03/16/2003 1:45:07 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: dcwusmc
Perhaps the substances DO flow through interstate commerce. Your "sheer fantasy" accusation didn't stand long once your bluff was called.
156
posted on
03/16/2003 1:46:50 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: Roscoe
Your sheer denial of the facts are the 'bluff' roscoe. - A pitiful little bit of bluster on your part.
157
posted on
03/16/2003 2:20:37 PM PST
by
tpaine
To: Roscoe
The fantasy involved here is the tortured, twisted logic-substitute that started the whole War on Americans in the first place. You have YET to refute THAT. You have yet to provide any source outside the self-serving roscoe from the CSA which can point to the specific enumeration of the Constitutional authority for your War on Americans. Nor can you, because there is ZERO authority granted by the Constitution for the United States for the Federal Government to declare war on its own citizens, in the name of protecting them from themselves or any other such "justification." You know this, you know the history of this war and yet you keep blathering on and on about the CSA as if it means anything besides more of a power-grab by fed gov for fedgoons.
158
posted on
03/16/2003 2:27:16 PM PST
by
dcwusmc
("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
To: Roscoe
Sorry bud, I wasn't trying to give them chronolocical ordering, only indexing so that I could refer back to the ones that would cause me to crap my drawers and ram "police" cars and run over "cops."
That is, "police" cars that look like ordinary cars, and "cops" who are dressed in plainclothes pointing guns at me and shouting.
Sorry for the confusion about ordering. By the way, what you stated was not an undisputed fact in this case. Nobody, the cops or the family, has claimed that the girl was 'trying to flee' as you have chosen to phrase it. Unless that's Roscoespeak for "drive a car."
159
posted on
03/16/2003 7:17:25 PM PST
by
Gianni
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To: dcwusmc
Yes, of course - and as much as the 'cut n paste' annoys me, the snide one-liners that make no sense are much, much worse.
It's what I imagine a conversation with a tourets(sp?) sufferer would be like.
160
posted on
03/16/2003 7:19:00 PM PST
by
Gianni
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