Posted on 03/12/2003 9:32:49 AM PST by Phlap
Easy on your name-calling. You liberals seem to believe in freedom of speech, but only as long as it is your speech that is free.
For the tenth time, I never said Lincoln was not personally opposed to slavery. He was. I said, and your post confirms, that slavery was not his primary concern for the civil war.
The sovereignty of the United States rests on the whole people of the United States.
See Chisholm v. Georgia (1793), Martin v Hunter's Lessee (1816), Cohens v. Virginia (1821) and McCullough v Maryland (1819).
It's bad form to wait 70 years and say you don't agree.
Walt
Easy on your name-calling. You liberals seem to believe in freedom of speech, but only as long as it is your speech that is free.
It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. You spout the neo-reb nonsense and lies.
Walt
Funny how you liberals resort to whining when you're exposed for the revisionist liars you are.
Funny how you liberals resort to whining when you're exposed for the revisionist liars you are.
It was revision wheh you partially quoted the Greeley letter.
Now you're outed.
Walt
You cannot do it. No one can, except unreasonable people who feel the world owes them ...... the world.
That's why blacks are on the threshold of societal changes of cataclysmic proportions. Immigrants are flooding America who could gives a rat's hair about the classic black America civil rights struggle.
Immigrants are coming into America who are not going to feel compelled to feel guilty for imagined crimes against the noble black struggle.
Immigrants are going to see this as the bogus profit scheme it is. And as more and more immigrants and children of immigrants are elected into political office, the more you will see undeserved handouts to blacks disappear.
In a decade or so, the only blacks doing well will be those who earned it.
And the game goes to the Hoosiers!
"Some punishments were associated with certain areas. According to William Wells Brown, slaveowners in Virginia smoked slaves. This involved whipping slaves and putting them in a tobacco smoke-house." Moses Roper claimed that in South Carolina they used to "drive nails into a hogshead so as to leave the point of the nail just protruding in the inside of the cask. Into this he used to put his slaves for punishment, and roll them down a very long and steep hill."
Lewis Clarke, a house slave in Kentucky, described in his autobiography the different methods used by his mistress: "instruments of torture were ordinarily the raw hide, or a bunch of hickory-sprouts seasoned in the fire and tied together. But if these were not at hand, nothing came amiss. She could relish a beating with a chair, the broom, tongs, shovel, shears, knife-handle, the heavy heel of her slipper, and an oak club, a foot and a half in length and an inch and a half square. With this delicate weapon she would beat us upon the hands and upon the feet until they were blistered. "
States with large numbers of slaves introduced their own slave codes. The main idea behind these codes was to keep the slaves under the tight control of their owners. The death-penalty was introduced for a whole range of offences. Slaves could be executed for murder, rape, burglary, arson and assault upon a white person. Plantation owners believed that this severe discipline would make the slaves too scared to rebel."
See this website:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASpunishments.htm
Walt
It's so funny how small minded people such as yourself, are so predicable.
Your arguments are poor. And when your logic is exposed as flawed, you resort to insults.
You feel the only way to save face is to end the debate with insults.
You pathetic people are so predicable.
I don't think so. Quote Lincoln to support your statement.
Walt
I wonder if it was okay for him to drive it on county roads.
There you go again. Taking an exception and trying to make it the rule. Certainly there are examples of some slaves being murdered, but such was not the rule. That wouldn't be good business.
Wrong again!
"The death of a large owner is the occasion usually of many families being broken up. Bankruptcy is another cause of separation, and the hard-heartedness of a majority of slaveholders another and a more fruitful cause than either or all the rest. Generally there is but little more scruple about separating families than there is with a man who keeps sheep in selling off the lambs in the fall. On one plantation where I lived, there was an old slave named Paris. He was from fifty to sixty years old, and a very honest and apparently a pious slave. A slave-trader came along one day, gathering hands for the South. The old master ordered the waiter or coachman to take Paris into the back room, pluck out all his grey hairs, rub his face with a greasy towel, and then had him brought forward and sold for a young man. His wife consented to go with him, upon a promise from the trader that they should be sold together, with their youngest child which she carried in her arms. They left two behind them, who were only from four to six or eight years of age. The speculator collected his drove, started for the market, and before he left the State he sold that infant child to pay one of his tavern bills, and took the balance in cash. This was the news which came back to us, and was never disputed.
I saw one slave mother, named Lucy, with seven children, put up by an administrator for sale. At first the mother and three small children were put up together. The purchasers objected: one says, I want the woman and the babe, but not the other children; another says, I want that little girl; and another, I want the boy. Well, says the Administrator, I must let you have them to the best advantage. So the children were taken away ; the mother and infant were first sold, then child after child - the mother looking on in perfect agony; and as one child after another came down from the auction block, they would run, and cling weeping to her clothes. The poor mother stood, till nature gave way; she fainted and fell, with her child in her arms. When she came to, she moaned woefully, and prayed that she might die, to be relieved from her sufferings."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASclark.htm
Walt
I spent over six years in three different infantry battalions. I probably walked that far.
Walt
During the Rodney King debacle, I saw some street trash drag a truck driver out of his vehicle and beat him senseless. By your logic, all blacks are guilty of this mentality.
Of course, not all blacks behave this way. That's because a few exceptions do not establish a rule.
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