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Serbian Prime Minister Assassinated
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Posted on 03/12/2003 5:16:46 AM PST by William McKinley

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To: William McKinley
No, the question is what the hell is the matter with you? You obviously aren't up to speed with Serbian politics are you? Djindjinc was a corrupt crook, worse than Milo...don't let the facts stand in your way.

I do live in the west Einstein, so put a cork in it.

121 posted on 03/12/2003 6:52:08 AM PST by FireWall
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
Well, as I recall, the Archduke was killed by a Serb, Gabrio Princip, who was a member of an Serbian anarcho-terrorist group called Black Hand.

And now you know...the rest of the story.

122 posted on 03/12/2003 6:53:42 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Was he killed by an Austrian-Hungarian? Turn-about is fair play you know."

Man!

You beat me to it!

123 posted on 03/12/2003 6:54:42 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: Destro
Kostunica Blamed for Iraq Debacle
The furore over Yugoslavia's involvement in arms deals with Iraq is being blamed on federal president Vojislav Kostunica's unwillingness to get rid of key figures from the Milosevic regime.

The authorities have now started a clean-up operation to rid themselves of Milosevic-era officials suspected of masterminding an operation to supply military services and equipment to Baghdad, following strong pressure from the United States.

General director of the main state arms trade company Jugoimport, Jovan Cekovic, and defence ministry arms trade assistant, General Ivan Djokic, were both dismissed from their posts on October 22.

The move followed an official request from Washington, in which the Belgrade authorities were told to crack down on the sale of weapons and equipment to Iraq.

The Americans named Jugoimport and the Orao Institute in the Bosnian Serb town of Bijeljina as the companies involved. The US State Department said it has evidence that Iraqi combat planes were being refurbished by the two firms.

The Yugoslav authorities have now launched an investigation into the matter. "We will honour all international obligations as part of the international against terrorism, and we want to clear this affair up completely," said Serbian police minister Dusan Mihajlovic. Jugoimport's Baghdad office has since been closed down.

Washington welcomed the measures taken by the Yugoslav authorities to put a stop to the illicit trade, which Belgrade analysts blame on Kostunica.

The federal president hit out at Jugoimport's actions on October 23, describing them as being guilty of "gambling, and an entirely irresponsible business move" that will be punished according to the law. He added that this was an isolated incident that should not be interpreted as Yugoslavia's own position.

But Kostunica's great political rival, Serbian prime minister Zoran Djindjic, is not prepared to let the matter drop, describing the scandal as "damaging", as it implied that the federal authorities had lost control of the army.

"President Kostunica is responsible for the army, and he should deal with it. The fact that he has not shows a fault in his professional approach to the post," Djindjic said, although the premier must take some responsibility for the illict trade given that his minister of interior, Dusan Mihajlovic, is chairman of Jugoimport and claims that he knew nothing about the affair.

Since the fall of Slobodan Milosevic on October 5, 2000, Kostunica has opposed any purge of personnel from the former leader's military circle, claiming that such key people should not be replaced at all costs.

Analysts believe Kostunica, who has authority over the army but little else, was determined to win the loyalty of top army officials to gain political leverage in his ongoing battle with Djindjic.

These officials, however, are seen as being "compromised" by their association with Milosevic, and their involvement in the new political setup stopped or significantly slowed down the reform of many institutions, putting the brakes on Yugoslavia's efforts to rejoin the international community.

This was the case with Jugoimport. There have been no personnel changes at the firm - so the Milosevic-era cooperation with Saddam Hussein seems to have carried on long after the ex-president's fall.

A decree signed by Kostunica in spring 2001, confirming Cekovic's retention as company director, is the best proof of his support for the official. The federal president would not comment on this appointment in the wake of the scandal.

This decision went against the wishes of the US authorities, which were opposed to Cekovic keeping his post, as this raised fears that Yugoslavia could retain contacts with Iraq or other blacklisted regimes.

The pressure grew after the September 11 attacks on America, as Cekovic showed no interest in stamping out Islamic extremists and the regimes that supported them.

The Jugoimport director soon became persona non grata - yet Kostunica let him stay in his job.

The defensive wall surrounding Cekovic began to crumble only after documents found at the Orao Institute provided the US with hard evidence that Jugoimport and its director were implicated in the supply of weapons and services to Saddam Hussein's forces.

But even after initial warnings were sent to four leading Belgrade officials, nothing was done to launch an investigation into the affair.

It took the publication of detailed media reports on the Orao affair to nudge the federal government into admitting that deals had taken place without its knowledge or control. Even then, a specially formed investigative commission only visited the Jugoimport offices a day after Cekovic was dismissed.

Yugoslav army sources told IWPR that Cekovic, who had held the post of Jugoimport director since 1996, had conducted weapons deals "like a medieval feudalist". Information about such transactions was kept from the public on the grounds that it was a "state secret".

He established strong ties with China in the second half of the Nineties, and Jugoimport conducted joint development projects on rocket technology and sophisticated artillery ammunition.

Although business with China had top priority, Cekovic did not neglect his traditional buyers from Arab states. There were excellent opportunities to make money from Iraq, which was struggling under sanctions and was willing to pay a high price for any military help.

It would appear that although the new Serbian administration decided to renounce the practices of the Milosevic regime and return to the international community, dealings with Iraq were continuing behind its back.

Borisa Vukovic, Milosevic's foreign trade minister who fled to Iraq after losing his post after the fall of his president, became one of the most important middlemen and led the negotiations in Baghdad.

Sources from Yugoslav intelligence circles told IWPR that Vukovic had wide access to the Iraqi ruling elite thanks to his friendship with Uday Hussein, son of Saddam.

Iraq was particularly interested in striking a deal to ensure maintenance of its ageing air force jets, which are in poor condition and are rarely flown due to a lack of spare parts. Russian engines, with a much shorter life cycle than those manufactured in the West, were of most concern.

Yugoslav air force experts had already proved that they were able to extend the lifecycle of the Russian RD-33 engine - used by the MiG-29, the only modern military plane owned by the Iraqi air force - by a third to 450-500 working hours between services.

The Orao Institute - which has experts and technology capable of performing such overhauls - functions under direct control of the Republika Srpska, RS, defence ministry, but the Yugoslav air force remained one of its most important clients. Within the federal army general staff, the officer in charge of all dealings with the Bosnian Serb company was General Ivan Djokic.

He later became assistant minister of defence for military economic issues, and soon established close relations with Cekovic. Formally, General Djokic had to approve every contract with foreign customers - including weapons and military equipment shipments.

Army sources told IWPR that Djokic is doubly responsible for the Orao scandal - both for authorising the illegal deal, and for organising logistical support to allow the arrangements to be carried out smoothly in Iraq.

Vesna Marjanovic, a spokesperson for Democratic Centre, one of the members of Serbia's ruling coalition, told IWPR that it "seems incredible" that Jugoimport could still have been associating with Iraq. "It is unbelievable that our intelligence services learn from others what companies in this country do," she said.

This whole affair may prove very damaging for Yugoslavia, which stands to lose the trust of the international community after a long, hard slog to improve relations.

NATO my ass.
124 posted on 03/12/2003 6:55:00 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: honway
Since you just deliberately reposted something I pulled, enjoy a nice seven day ciesta from posting rights. Thanks, AM.
125 posted on 03/12/2003 6:55:55 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: SamAdams76
It's 1914 all over again....... July 4th

Isn't this what triggered World War One?......SamAdams76

In 1914, a Serb assassinated the Crown Prince of a major foreign power on the foreign power's own territory.

In this case, the Serbs are merely assassinating another Serb in Serbia. Nobody has a dog in this fight except the Serbs themselves.

126 posted on 03/12/2003 7:00:03 AM PST by Polybius
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To: FireWall
Didn't say you didn't live in the west. I saw that you are in Illinois. I just said that you are taking a position that western interests are somehow bad or wrong.

They aren't.

127 posted on 03/12/2003 7:00:16 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: mhking
Yep. The Archduke Ferdinand was killed by an anarchist in Belgrade triggering the "War to End All Wars"
128 posted on 03/12/2003 7:00:37 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: B Knotts
Anarchists suck
129 posted on 03/12/2003 7:01:01 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: Polybius
In this case, the Serbs are merely assassinating another Serb in Serbia.

How do you know this?

130 posted on 03/12/2003 7:02:19 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo; Polybius; Destro
From the few news reports I have seen (man, does news flow out of this area slow or what?), it appears they have the two suspects in custody.

It will be really interesting to find out what they are all about.

Of course, those who just want to spout disinformation will probably say that the two in custody are being set up. But they won't be proposing anything, just implying. ;-)

131 posted on 03/12/2003 7:08:29 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: William McKinley
Try this one on:

SOMEBODY obviously shot the guy..agreed.
NATO conducted a war on Serbia/Yugoslavia that created what most of us would agree is an islamist cess-pool today administered by a bloated herd of NATO/EU/US Allies...Correct.
"The former Yugoslavia", now even diminished from that status, has been shredded and beaten, its former president kidnapped and put on trial, and up to now Djindjic has been pretty compliant...no trouble to those who destroyed 'his' country and realigned the Balkans ('good puppy').
Djindjic (a creep and a traitor in my opinion) had recently made some moves toward reasserting Serb presence in part of Kosovo...now he is, oddly enough, dead.

SOMEONE obviously shot the guy...it should be OK for people to consider the options without being accused, insulted, or 'hated' for it.
(No one is real hesitant to make advance judgements where the names Condit or Peterson, or even Simpson (guilty!) are involved...why would this differ?

(otherwise, your comments can be interesting and witty - go with your strong points)
132 posted on 03/12/2003 7:08:50 AM PST by norton
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To: jriemer
Anarchists suck
133 posted on 03/12/2003 7:08:54 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: norton; William McKinley
yea--what norton said.

I love coinky-dinkies

134 posted on 03/12/2003 7:12:11 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: William McKinley
Anarchists suck

They sure do. Back on May 3rd 1886, they started the Haymarket Riot in Chicago and killed seven policemen with a bomb. Of the accused anarchists, five were hanged and one commited sucide for their roles in the murders and riot.

Their ideological descendants still pay "hommage" to those creeps in their annual May Day celebrations around Chicago.

135 posted on 03/12/2003 7:14:30 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: William McKinley
http://news.beograd.com/english/index.html

12.03.2003

15:41 - The Government of Serbia is to issue the official statement regarding the assassination on Premier Zoran Djindjic in a few minutes. The Government session has begun with a minute of silence, journalists report. The Health Care minister, Tomica Milosevljevic told BETA that media would get the statement "very soon." Milosavljevic could not confirm rumors that Zoran Djindjic has died as a result of his injuries. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

15:38 - News agencies report that in the assassination of Serbian Premier Zoran Djindjic, two of his bodyguards have also been injured. They have been taken to Belgrade Emergency Center too, but are not listed as critical. The mother of Premier Djindjic has also arrived to Emergency Center. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

15:26 - Italy's CORRIERE DELA SERA reports that Serbian Premier Zoran Djindjic has been assassinated. He died as a result of injuries received in a shooting that occurred a little before 1 PM in front of the Government of Serbia building. According to Serbian police, the assault happened in front of the building where offices of the Premier were situated in downtown Belgrade. Djindjic was transported to the hospital. However, injuries proved to be fatal, especially those to the back and to the stomach. It was apparent that chances for him surviving were very slim. According to reconstructed event, it was a stakeout carried out by a team of commandoes. Three men were arrested and one of the assailants was wounded. Unofficial sources claim that Djindjic was shot by two large caliber bullets to the chest, fired from a great distance by a sharpshooter. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

15:05 - Immediately after assassination of Serbian Premier Zoran Djindjic, police managed to arrest three persons suspected of having been involved in the assault on Djindjic, BERTA reports. The assassination was carried out by a sharpshooter who fired from the building in 14, Admirala Geprata Street. Media report that Djindjic was hit by two bullets of large caliber.

136 posted on 03/12/2003 7:15:31 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: norton
Part of what you draw as the picture I agree with, and part I do not.

Thanks for the kind words, but I think I will argue my points when I think I am in the right. You are free to think I am wrong in this case, and you are free to think that my being wrong (in your eyes) in this case impacts the regard you hold my comments in other matters.

I think Slobo was a crook, and from what I have seen this guy was less of a crook and opposed to those who fund our enemies. In other words, I consider this man a nominal ally, even if there were parts of his politics on which I disagree and parts of his ethics which could have stood improvement.

And I find assertions (even if made by impication) that the US and our allies were involved in his assassination, when there is not a single bit of evidence to point in that way other than the motives imagined by those drooling to blame NATO for anything, to be so incredibly distasteful that I can't believe you are defending them and attacking me.

137 posted on 03/12/2003 7:17:11 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: jriemer; Destro
Their ideological descendants still pay "hommage" to those creeps in their annual May Day celebrations around Chicago.
Maybe the next time their ideological descendants come around, Destro can go to Chicago and counter-protest. He is in their state.
138 posted on 03/12/2003 7:18:36 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: B Knotts
That's half right...its Gavrilo Princip and the fact that he pulled the trigger was an accident of fate. There weren't just Serbs in the Black Hand, there were Croats and a Muslim that were a part of the group as well.

Princip, like I mentioned above, just happened to be the trigger man, he was actually in the wrong place and when the previous attempts at taking the Austrain's life failed, the driver took a wrong turn down a street that Princip jus thappened to be waiting on. Princip was in the wrong spot, its by shear luck that that driver took a wrong turn. It was one big clusterf**k, they got lucky.

140 posted on 03/12/2003 7:20:38 AM PST by FireWall
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