Whose War? (Israel’s “amen corner” has plans for America to fight many wars in the Middle East.)

The American Conservative ^ | March 24, 2003 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[Bella_Bru]

ping.

Warning: Extremely vomitous material.

[Bella_Bru]

Thanks for the number!

[quidnunc]

FYI

[WOSG]

When you post PS like calling Mossadegh the "last poplularly elected leader" I cant take the rest of our post seriously.

As others have noted, that guy was doing what Chavez is doing today. He had dissovled the popularly elected bodies, moved against the constitutional monarch, and was centralizing power, all the while relying more and more on Communist party (Tudeh sp?) ... Without US intervention in 1952, it was going into USSR orbit.

You've bought into the 'sour grapes' inevitability thesis on 1979. These kind of Mullah incited insurgencies happen in the 1920s, the 1960s and were handled well enough - the difference is before they didnt have Carter telling them what to do. For one, would not have let Ayatollah Khoumeni land. HE was in exile, let him stay there. For 2, I would *not* have praised AK as a "saint" like Andy Young did, but I would have publicly laid out his anti-Americanism to our own country and the world.
Lots more but that's a start ....

I point out again - under carter, several countries fell to anti-American regimes. THis is NOT an accident!

[Jimmyclyde]

Why is it that the people who claim to be the purest defenders of America's sovereignty also happen to be the ones who demand that America abrogate its right to engage in international intercourse with the nation of Israel, solely to appease the mythical "Arab streetPlease!

Enough with is Arab street crap.

Where is this street?

Is this the same street where goat carcasses hang upside down...?

Where women in Colman tents haggle over the price of rotton fruit...?

Is this the street where stinking,lazy men with bad facial hair, take puffs off a bong that looks like an octopus?

Or perhaps this is the street where half-naked, half starved children run around fighting the stray dogs for scraps of food.

Is it the street where Mothers let their children throw rocks at tanks and let them strap C-4 to their bellies?

Maybe its the street where they burn American flags while wearing nike and Levis...?

The Street where they kill their daughters if they hold a boy's hand in public?

The street where fathers kidnap their American children and make them live in chains?

THE SOONER THIS STREET IS CLEANSED OF ITS FILTH THE BETTER OFF THE WORLD WILL BE!

Rant off.

[Jhoffa_]

He's right about one thing, there is no discourse on Israel without the "race card" bring brought into play instantly.

I support Israel, because I believe them to be right.. But there's no rational discussion surrounding them. It's a third rail, you just can't go there. It's simply not allowed.

If you want to reduce intelligent, educated people to stammering & cursing all you have to do is mention the Jews.. Doesn't matter if your position is Pro or Con, someone is going to instantly lose their mind, clamp their hands over their ears and start yelling "Racist!"

[Jhoffa_]

When war breaks out (which should be any day now..) I hope the very first f-ing thing they ration is big fonts.

[muawiyah]

Whatever!

The fact is a local Democrat Congresscritter named James Moran let the cat out of the bag the other day.

For years and years this reprobate drunk and wifebeater had been taking money from Islamofascist terrorist front organizations yet pretending to be just another classic Democrat Liberal.

He may have even said that G.W. wants to attack Iraq "for the oil" one time or the other, but his latest statement was that we wouldn't be involved in this Iraq business if it weren't for the Jews dragging us there.

Obviously all that "oil" talk was just a Democrat codeword for "Jew".

Now we get Buchanan noting that some, if not all Israelis might benefit from a war that vanquishes Saddam Hussein and he's against it! In thinking back over the years of local/semi-local politics and gossip it occurs to me that I've never seen Buchanan even laugh about Jim Moran's clown show, yet he was critical of Representative Traficant, Mayor Barry and others of that nature.

Do these guys know each other? Does Buchanan kneel next to Moran to take Communion on Sunday?

Someone might know, but it's not beyond belief that these two disciples of Father Coughlin might be in league with each other.

[Jimmyclyde]

You can take my big fonts..

from my cold dead hands...

[PhilDragoo]

We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords.

Hence the present leaders of the nation are forced to seek the support of those alone who have benefited and continue to benefit from changing the form of the state, and who for that very reason became the driving force behind the revolution - the Jews.

[Hildy]

Why is anyone surpised? Buchanan has AlWAYS been anti-Israel.

[Jhoffa_]

careful..

You'll put your eye out with those..

[quidnunc]

Buchanan has some sort of a think tank that deals in direct-mail solicitations and sales of Buchanan's musings.

It is the main source of income for him and his sister Bay, and it makes them a handsome living.

An important reason behind Pat's presidential run was to get the mailing lists of the Reform Party.

I would be curious to know if they're also getting money from Islamist sources.

[Alouette]

Extremely vomitous material.

Phat Puke-cannon Alert!

[rmlew]

Please explain the difference between a Zionist Jew and an American Jew.

Many American Jews have no relationship with their religion or Israel. They embrace leftism and are anti-Zionists.
Others are Liberals who support the existance of Israel, but follow the NYT/CFR line that Israel is the problem.

I happen to be a staunch Zionist. I also feel an attachment to England and most European countries. However, unless the Messiah comes in my lifetime, my loyalty is to America.
I can't speak for others, but most Zionists are attached to Israel, but loyal to America. American interests come first.

[Bella_Bru]

Hmmm...see, a few years ago, some might have thought that by using "phat" you meant "cool". We all know that rats with beady eyes cannot be the least bit cool. Especially anti-semetic piece of crap like Pat. Crap Puke- Cannon maybe?

[rmlew]

like it or not, Israel is a factor here...

Israel is not taking part int he war by choice. Saddam and Buchannan are trying to use it as a shield.

put it in a negative light, Israel did make noises about after Iraq, Iran is next the US should attack...

So, the Islamist regime supporting Hamas, Hizbullah, and openly keeping members of Al-Qaeda, should be ignored because Israel doesn't like it?
This reminds me of the anti-Semetic isolationists who said that we should not gop to war with Hitler because Jews hate him.

so the paleoconservative like Buchanan is not entirely wrong with his assessement...
Paleocons are split on the war. Buchanan is a populist isolationist.

as long as there is no peace between Israel and Palestinians - there wont be any peace in the region...

As long as Israel exists, there will not be peace between Israel and the Arabs. As long as theer are Islamists and corrupt authoritarian regimes, there will not be peace.
There never has and never will be total peace in the region.

Personally, I do think the like of Wolfowitz and Perle are not necessarily pursuing this war simply based on the security of the American people...

No war is ever pursued just for security.
Are you saying that Wolfowitz and Perle are Israel-Firsters based on their religion?
What of Wolfowitz and Cheney?

[rmlew]

Pat only hates one type of nationalist: an Israeli nationalist.
He is a bigot who openly cavorts with commies.
Pat doesn't have the good sense of the American First Commitee, which shut down after Pearl Harbor.
I can't believe I voted and debated for him.

[rmlew]

Many paleo-cons are not anti-Semetic.
Please see Robert Locke of Frontpage magazine, and the folks who run "View From the Right" www.counterrevolution.net/vfr/

Paul Gottfried, Ralph de Toledeno, and Don Feder are Jewish paleocons. (Depending on how you define paleocon, so am I)

[JohnGalt]

Can you name some of those holes? You prove the point that instead of arguing based on reason and fact, you simply lob hyperbole "the whole international Left--whatever that means"

Why are Republicans siding with liberals? Pat and many on the dissenting right, have been looking at a possible left-right alliance against the war. It may never happen, but please, were you hoping we just appease the War Hawks?


anti-Communist or Trotskyite?

"An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy. He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm."



-- Paul Findley's They Dared to Speak Out 1989.