A Theory (What if there’s method to the Franco-German madness??

National Review ^ | March 10, 2003 | Michael Ledeen

[expatpat]

Yes, I agree. I would be very surprised if Chirac hasn't been on Sadam's payroll since the 1970's. I don't think journalists have enough power to get this kind of info. out of private banks, but the US government probably does.

[GraniteStateConservative]

It matters if the French have chosen sides in the war and chosen Iraq (which may very well be the case)-- rather than be neutral. That means we are going to war against France, too-- because France will want to back the winning horse. We joke about them, but they could really harm our efforts to win in many ways.

[Just mythoughts]

"method to their madness" something totally overlooked here is that during the reign of the Clintons, France loved our government, ridiculed the "right" over a big deal being made about "sex".

The press in this country kept saying how Europe did things and they had "free sex" and it was not big deal. The press encouraging Americans to aspire to the European way of doing things.

These same Europeans came to Clintons defense, darn near made him a "god". The only thing that has changed is a Republican President who has let the world know his job is to protect America and stop Saddam and his deadly war toys, and freeing the people of Iraq.

All attention is given to France, Germany, Iraq, some days Russia, and China. It was the "left" in this country that demanded a UN involvement, and then suddenly out of nowhere up pops N. Korea, what we learn is that our very own Clinton gave the nuclear ability and fed them.

The "LEFT" in this country has tried to derail all actions of President Bush, remember Hillary standing up in the senate asking "What did he know and when did he know it" regarding 9/11, these words were the beginning of an organized "leftist" march to stop President Bush.

One could make a case that this whole nations in an uproar could be laid at the feet of the "LEFT" in this country, as another method of stopping President Bush, calling him selected not elected, illegitimate, cowboy, dumb, empire builder, etc...

Could it be that there is an orchestrated effort to do everything to cause failure, all in an attempt to unseat President Bush, and elect another fellow traveler.

Looks to me the "LEFTIST" and their arms anti-Bush protestors, Hollywood, etc... are the real enemy and France is willing to take the blame, because if Bush can be unseated then all is not lost.

[A_perfect_lady]

It's hard to believe that they would have this much hubris...

The French? Land of Napoleon? And the Germans? Land of Hitler? Hard to believe they'd have enough hubris to imagine they could rule the world?

[Conspiracy Guy]

I don't think they will continue to stand so firmly.

[A_perfect_lady]

Colonial arrogance leads the political elite to believe they can control, even manipulate these hordes to their advantage.

Exactly. Very key point.

[Conspiracy Guy]

In the end, it will take J.C. himself to solve the world's mess.

You are correct, Jesus Christ will solve the World's problems. In the meantime I believe GWB will solve these smaller issues.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Exactly. It's not out of the question that this could go horribly wrong, especially if France and Russia support Iraq. France and Russia have the power to aid Iraq in ways that could totally screw the war up for us-- and we couldn't say a single thing about it. It would probably be hard to prove: we can't even point out where Iraq's stockpiles of WMD are. Secondly, we were able to do this by making it seem manageable. There would be serious opposition to going to war with the French (and Russians), too, with people wondering how in the hell we managed to get into such a war.

[GraniteStateConservative]

You think the French will abstain?

[A_perfect_lady]

It is not as outrageous a theory when you recall that Chirac has a decades long friendship with Saddam...

...and a centuries long enmity for the English.

[MinorityRepublican]

Given the surging Moslem population in Europe, in thirty years the Moslem nation with the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons will be France.

Yep, but by then we will have SDI fully in place and we will nuke France.

[GraniteStateConservative]

That's a more complicated theory than the other ones. I'll stick with the more reasonable one. France is in control of its own destiny and has chosen against us. The other groups are just useful idiots.

[Paraclete]

. . . and if you believe that, you probably believe a sovereign has foreordained the moving of the chess pieces -- interesting game, huh?

[Adder]

It is indeed and has its foundation in multiculturalism which at its core is designed to deny that any system or culture is "better" than any other. This is patently false as they have no problem condemning cannibalism as being "wrong", for example.

The Euro's have seized on this collectivist mindset and enhanced it. I hear it in the rhetoric of the French and the actions of many Europaeans. It is found in the question multiculturalists are fond of asking:"Is an American life worth more than an Iraqi life"? with the implication that a "Yeah" answer is bigoted, racist and just so so retrograde.

In all, I agree that it is a trend and not a franco-German plot, per se.

It is typical of all the neo-socialists that only the UN has the answers and that we must defer to the UN.[Just listen to Pelosi and the Dashole!]In their[the Dems, the UN-ers, the Europeans and the silent Chinese] collectivist mind, if we as a country will buy that sick argument, we can be persuaded, cajoled, kicked into spending our wealth on give-aways to the 3rd world, to despising our strength so as to handicap our selves because after all...its just not fair[ref. the argument that we should not invade Iraq because our army is stronger than theirs!]We would be fools indeed if we allow this nonsense to continue.

[Paraclete]

One could find some honor in dying for naiveté. But it seems liberals also have a good dose of self preservation at any cost.

[johnb838]

It would make more sense to me for the Germans to be seeking the abolition of the SC as while it exists they have a diminished role in the world. It may be that they have their hand up the French butt and are moving its mouth in the meantime.

Nevertheless I think things are going to be all right. The one good thing about evil is that it always overreaches (as I read in Dickens this weekend regarding the diabolical Uriah Heep). The Islamists did us a favor on 911. It is hard to see it this way but it may have been a relatively cheap lesson. And to me the lesson is turning out to be about world socialism as much as about Islamism. Learning who our friends and enemies really are is priceless.

[harpseal]

Please do not forget Laval

[Conspiracy Guy]

They will not veto. If they do I'll change my tune. For now I think it's merely white flag rattling.

[kaylar]

I agree wholeheartedly. It's hard to say it, because it feels as if you're demeaning the memory of the 4000 murdered and the grief of their survivors, BUT-

Just imagine if they'd struck a few years earlier, when WJC and HRC were in the WH.

Or imagine if they'd waited a few years, when the Muslim population in both the US and EU would be even larger.

They tipped their hand too soon OTOH, while not soon enough to let WJC profit, OTOH.

Ands more and more attention is being drawn to the violent spread of Islam and the forced imposition of sharia even on nonmuslims. That the conversion-by force if necessary- of nonmuslims is a requirement of Islam, as is the imposition of a theocratic government. More and more people are growing uneasy about the spread of Islam in north America, and I think that that may be the best 'unintended consequence' of 9/11.

[GraniteStateConservative]

My opinions are based on a veto. If they don't veto, then they decided to just assert their power in an ego trip.