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| 3-9-03
| Ron Paul
Posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest
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To: Kevin Curry
Do you enjoy writing in such hysterical ways?
To: MEG33; aeronca
Fascism is oppressive, dictatorial control The word I would have chosen is authoritarianism. Fascism has a number of economic implications as well as political ones.
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posted on
03/08/2003 5:13:52 PM PST
by
AdamSelene235
(Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear.)
To: AAABEST
Why am I thinking that guys like you and Roscoe absolutely hate the idea of any established order relinquishing any type of control over any individual anywhere in the USA?I dunno . . . because you've stood with your head too close to a leaky microwave oven door one too many times?
Go build yourself a mininuclear reactor. Have fun. Grow a third eye.
To: artisan001
Look, there are instances where threat of force is cause enough to act before force is initiated.You're not as whacko as you seem at first post. There is hope for you.
To: exodus
Thanks. Great post.
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posted on
03/08/2003 5:21:33 PM PST
by
185JHP
( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
To: Conservative til I die
More logically, they speak of the need for us to have morality regardless of the laws, because without morality, the culture will fall apart.Before it falls apart, a nation will seek to survive by imposing controls on behavior externally at the state level that were once controlled internally at the personal level.
You will get no argument from me that state controls are undesirable and ineffective compared to personal behavior controls. But when a society throws morality down the toilet in the selfish pursuit of obsessive libertine pleasure (and to hell with everybody else), state controls inevitably emerge as stop-gap survival mechanism.
I would love to live in a libertarian society of very few laws and a tiny government. Unfortunately, I am surrounded by too many moral relativists, socialists, and self-obsessed libertarians for that to ever happen.
To: af_vet_rr
Just ask yourself if we, the people, are truly in charge of the country. We may have been at one time, but haven't been for decades (going back to your example of FDR). Do we control the government or do they control us? This trickles down to the local governments. Pay their ransom fees, er property taxes, or have your house taken awayWe need a return to the Constitution and we need to get the embedded and corrupt ruling class out of office.
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posted on
03/08/2003 5:41:41 PM PST
by
arete
(Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
To: HumanaeVitae
For everyone interested, I am not replying to tpaine, nor will reply to tpaine. I put him on permanent ignore eight months ago. Tpaine is a moron and a troll. It does not matter what point you make with tpaine; he will simply ignore it and restate his original point or some such rot. Free Republic has an ignore feature? That is shameful.
That said, if you put TP on ignore before you joined FR did you have a previous ID?
And with that said, you do realize that only a moron would claim to be ignoring someone while pounding the floor with his shoe and turning blue.
Anyway, if you have an issue with TP try to tell the truth and stick to the facts...he and I are about the same age and we get really cross with teeny boppers.
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posted on
03/08/2003 7:46:32 PM PST
by
harrowup
(Powell, Rumsfeld, Meyers, Rice, Cheney to the woodshed, asap.)
To: exodus
My definition is more strict An undefined definition. How libertarian.
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posted on
03/08/2003 7:54:50 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: forest
I'll remember you wrote these words . I'll wonder at some point in your life how you came to have such a deep conviction .
Good day sir .
To: dinodino
"libertarian" does not mean "a member of the Libertarian Party," Judging by the thread it means anything you want it to mean. In other words, nothing at all.
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posted on
03/08/2003 7:58:02 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: forest
![](http://www.stingandthepolice.com/stingandthepolice.jpg)
Where will they be playing??? Which state??
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posted on
03/08/2003 7:59:05 PM PST
by
Porterville
(Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
To: Teacher317
Show me a significant party that doesn't have that problem within its ranks. Do strident self-described "republicans" with no fixed beliefs outnumber Republicans?
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:00:39 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: HumanaeVitae; GatorGirl; tiki; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; ...
They want to legalize: prostitution, hard drugs, assisted suicide, pornography, simulated child pornography; some will even argue for private ownership of nuclear weapons and contractual slavery. You're right that morals matter. And in many cases, those morals must be imposed.
Exactly.
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:03:30 PM PST
by
narses
To: AdamSelene235
fascism
SYLLABICATION: fas·cism
PRONUNCIATION: fshzm
NOUN: 1. often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
ETYMOLOGY: Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle.
OTHER FORMS: fas·cistic (f-shstk) ADJECTIVE
WORD HISTORY: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, bundle, (political) group, but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:15:09 PM PST
by
ez
(WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SECURITY, WE DON'T NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION!!)
To: narses
And in many cases, those morals must be imposed. I don't think it's the prerogative of the State to impose morality.
That's precisely the guise under which they've divined rights to Affirmative Action, abortion and punitives for Hate Crimes.
There is but a small body of Natural Law on which the State can rely for guidance in determining matters of justice. Basically, the Ten Commandments ... as found to one extent or another in every human civilization despite proximity in place or time.
By the principle of Subsidiarity, the authority for the Moral is locused always closest to the Family and the father (and mother) whose onus it is to civilize and moralize his children.
While communities may have their blue laws -- which blue laws or lack thereof allow always for the GREATEST possible CHOICE in where one wishes to live -- I don't believe it ever the place of the STate to legislate morality.
Such a proposition destroys all possible chance at Subsidiarity by forcing a top-down Morality which -- given our Democratized tyranny that is the majority -- ends up the absolute specter that is voting on virtue.
Very dangerous ground.
Better that we -- like all Christian throughout time -- live and thrive despite the Dominant Cult's depravity.
Best to ensure always that the authority of the family -- particularly in moral matters -- supercedes absolutely that of the State.
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:16:11 PM PST
by
Askel5
To: exodus
1.
There is no legally passed law that allows our citizens to be searched without a warrant . 2. Do you think that police searching arrestees is against libertarian principles?
Self-contradiction.
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:16:35 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: narses
There is but a small body of Natural Law on which the State can rely for guidance in determining matters of justice. Basically, the Ten Commandments ... as found to one extent or another in every human civilization despite proximity in place or time. As evidenced herein .. What's Left, What's Right and What's a Value?
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:19:26 PM PST
by
Askel5
To: FF578
"A constitution founded on these principles introduces knowledge among the people, and inspires them with a conscious dignity becoming freemen; a general emulation takes place, which causes good humor, sociability, good manners, and good morals to be general. That elevation of sentiment inspired by such a government, makes the common people brave and enterprising. That ambition which is inspired by it makes them sober, industrious, and frugal." -- John Adams
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:20:00 PM PST
by
Roscoe
To: tpaine
Within 30 to 45 seconds after Overdahl entered the room, the officer noticed seeds and a small pipe lying on a desk 8 to 10 feet from where he was standing. From his training and experience, the officer believed the seeds were marihuana and the pipe was of a type used to smoke marihuana. He entered the room and examined the pipe and seeds, confirming that the seeds were marihuana and observing that the pipe smelled of marihuana... The "plain view" exception to the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement permits a law enforcement officer to seize what clearly is incriminating evidence or contraband when it is discovered in a place where the officer has a right to be. Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443 (1971); Harris v. United States, 390 U.S. 234 (1968). Here, the officer had placed Overdahl under lawful arrest, and therefore was authorized to accompany him to his room for the purpose of obtaining identification. The officer had a right to remain literally at Overdahl's elbow at all times; nothing in the Fourth Amendment is to the contrary.
U.S. Supreme Court, WASHINGTON v. CHRISMAN, 455 U.S. 1 (1982)
Tough luck for the doper.
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posted on
03/08/2003 8:30:54 PM PST
by
Roscoe
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