Posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest
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Physical searches without a warrant have been allowed for centuries.
True, but not in Anerica, Roscoe.
Warrantless searches were made illegal by our Constitution.
The Patriot Act contradicts our Constitution.
Badly.
Except personal nukes. Personal nukes are impracticable.
The real problem with allowing each man to possess his own personal nuke is that he could just about guarantee that he would never be brought to justice after having targeted his oh-so-tolerant libertarian neighbors. Some straight-thinking man bent on self-preservation would take the law into his own hands and preemptively and permanently adjust the nuke-bearer's attitude before the device could be ever be triggered. That may be a most unlibertarian action to take, but it is what can be expected to happen where libertarian hubris and stupidity meets human reality.
Only if you are a terrorist. Are you a terrorist?
False. In America, legally, regularly.
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Physical searches without a warrant have been allowed for centuries.
"strict libertarian scrutiny" means according to libertarian principles, Roscoe. It doesn't mean "let the Libertarian Party police the government."
Any governmental power should be subject to overview according to libertarian principles, just as our libertarian Founders intended.
No doubt.
Which principles? FR's libertarians pick and choose like it's a Chinese menu.
Me? Libertarians recognize that limit with their initiation of force standard.
It's been there all along- I don't know how you missed it.
"Gunga Diner"
That's one of the drawbacks of liberty.
People can use it to do things that you or I disapprove of.
There is a bar in the Yukon, Skagway, I believe where the special of the house is a shot of whiskey with a pickled human toe in it.
The toe was amputated due to frostbite and they thought that it would be funny to serve it to customers.( as far as I know, the toe does this voluntarily as do the patrons of the bar)
Now if you want to go up there and make them stop doing that, be my guest.
I think that they would just toss you out in the snow. Why? Because their little prank with the pickled toe doesn't hurt anybody else.
There are people who eat human placenta. Should there be laws against that?
The point is that no matter how much you dissaprove of someone's actions, you you can't justifiably impose your will on them unless they are hurting others.
It is not possible to force morality on others without being immoral yourself.
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exodus - but not in America, Roscoe. Warrantless searches were made illegal by our Constitution. The Patriot Act contradicts our Constitution.
Roscoe - False. In America, legally, regularly.
No, Roscoe.
There is no legally passed law that allows our citizens to be searched without a warrant .
And so it goes.
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