Posted on 03/01/2003 12:58:15 PM PST by Heartlander2
Just a devil's advocate question here.
Let's be realistic here, North Korea's plutonium program began in the 1980's and was virtually ignored until Bush Sr. started the negotiations process, the bulk of which was already completed when Clinton took office.
The north koreans kept their plutonium plant shut down until just recently, and they didn't start their uranium enrichment program until about two years ago.
However, given all that, we've got a nation that has threatened to nuke us and we're giving them a free pass. Bush should be firm here, he should send them the message that any ramp up of refinement at Yongbyon will not be allowed. Any missile tests will be seen as an act of war. And then, we must be prepared to carry out the threat. If we need to nuke Yongbyon then so be it. I'd rather deal with this situation now then see it escalate any further. I don't believe that Kim Jong Ill is suicidal, so even if we destory Yongbyon I don't think he would respond. And if he did, we should be prepared to destroy his country, regardless of the price. We can't let them become the world's plutonium and nuclear weapons supplier.
As for swearing off future US actions against N.Korea? We essentially did that at the armistice. We haven't gone north since (intentionally). Meanwhile, they have violated the Truce many times. Tunnels. Saboteurs landed by sea. Infiltrations over, under and through the DMZ. I wouldn't trust these SOBs at all. In particular where nukes are concerned.
No one really knows exactly what went on since the 2 UN inspectors were booted out. Not that they knew anything. We didn't even know they had a missile capability until they launched one in 1998. We didn't know they had such a large army until we discovered many were busy tunneling under the DMZ.
Clintons sale of missile technology to the Chinese, via Loral also compromised or security (and certainly that of the 2nd ID) as such has ended up in N. Korean hands.
Back in 1997, Pat Robertson had photos up and on TV showing this plant in operation. Were they merely warming Kim's hot tub?
I'm not sure this is true. There were reports out of DoE and the CIA in 1998 of North Korea's covert nuclear program violating the 1994 AF. What's your source for two years ago?
You are correct in that we should neither attack nor negotiate. There is no call for either. We don't fear an imminent attack, nor do we need anything from them that would require talking. The fact that they need our food and energy aid to stay out of the red is hardly our problem. All we need to do is step back and let them implode.
YOU DON'T THINK??????????? So you're willing to snuff the lives of about 1 million Koreans because you don't think? What do you suppose happens to world economy if NK nukes Seoul? Sure, we'll nuke NK, but the human and economic devastation would be enormoous.
Don't talk about such important matters flippantly. You sound like a man with a paper asshole in a match factory.
The problem is that Reagan and Bush didn't act when the North Koreans refused, and then deceived IAEA inspections after signing the NPT. The IAEA reported in 1992 that North Korea was hiding plutonium.
It is amazing how much bad information floats around on this topic. Clinton didn't give them $6 billion, he arranged funding through several countries. The U.S. tab was $20-30 million per year for up to ten years.
Where Clinton failed was in not enforcing a rigerous inspection process.
I'm not sure this is true. There were reports out of DoE and the CIA in 1998 of North Korea's covert nuclear program violating the 1994 AF. What's your source for two years ago?
I went back and researched it, you are correct, the first indications of a uranium enrichment program were known in 1998.
The alternative of doing nothing means that we simply allow North Korea to become the world's supplier of nuclear weapons. That is something we can't allow. I urge you to go back and review the words of George W. Bush in his 2001 State of the Union speech - something to the effect that we weren't going to allow members of the axis of evil to develop weapons of mass destruction. It is quickly becoming time for us to enforce our doctrine of pre-emption. The cost to South Korea may be great, but the cost of inaction to the U.S. is much greater.
But the point is this: Regardless of dollar amount Clinton DID construct the actual power plants. Reagan and Bush 41 may have been reticent to attack N. Korea during the Cold War because of the involvement of Warsaw Pact nations. However, there is a difference between not attacking a rogue state in which you believe has a couple of nukes and what Clinton did. That is, the actual CONSTRUCTION of nuclear power plants.
These plants will be able to turn out upwards of 50 nukes per annum according to Gertz,etal, in 2005. Whether it is 50 or 15, etiology is the same. Their increased ability to produce these weapons came from the Clinton administration.
Keep in mind, these are the idiots that assured us N. Korea had no missile capacity in 1998. Two weeks later they dropped one of Alaska. And during this period, the commies were busy in their nefarious activities while Clinton/Carter assured us all was well. WRONG!
Even Colin Powell got duped when last weeks' "...antique Silkworm missile" turned out to be a type of Cruise missile. If anything our intel from CIA/NSA/Military has understated N.Korean capabilities.
Clinton officals did in fact plan on taking out N.Korea in 1994. Just like they were going to arrest UBL. They dropped the ball, times ten. Now we may pay an awful price. At least those in the 2nd ID, who interestingly enough are expected to hold out for two weeks until reinforcements arrive. Somali on a much larger scale...
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