Light From the First Days of Creation

Institute for Creation Research ^ | February 2003 | Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

[balrog666]

You appear to be having some kind of mental breakdown here. Is there any way we can ring up your nurse and have her prepare a nice, soothing, drug-filled cocktail for you?

[f.Christian]

That's so soviet (( brainwashing // indoctrination )) -- gulag (( tyranny // repression )) of you !

[PatrickHenry]

(( Place // marker ))

[f.Christian]

bm1 ...

Explain The Hawaiin Islands then.


42 posted on 01/31/2003 11:32 PM PST by Burkeman1

fC ...

I've lived in both . . . N. California and Maui - - -

and I see EXACTLY some of the same geology --- similarities here !

A christmas tree farmer living upcountry told me . . . "only the monterey pine grows well here" !

[Dataman]

I thought the BB'rs said the MBR was smooth. The picture doesn't show it to be smooth. Maybe it depends on how you define smooth.

[Dataman]

physicists believe more and more that time is a physical dimension rather than a line as we perceive it.

It is. Dr. Gange from Princeton feels the need to remind us that this belief is about 100 years old. He also states that time and space are inseperable to the point where there can be no time without space nor can there be space without time.

[Dataman]

Kook

IF Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. Physics =Kook

THEN

jlogajan =

[zoso82t]

and I see EXACTLY some of the same geology

So which one is it, exactly the same geology or some of the same geology?

[RightWhale]

Some current cosmological models actually involve several dimensions beyond the three or four we are familiar with, or think we are familiar with. There is considerable work in the labs going on right now to attempt to measure effects of the extra dimensions if they exist in reality. Some recent experiments show that the extra dimensions would be very small, 0.2 millimeter or less, but would have an effect across the visible universe.

How can this be?

Is the universe at all what it appears to be?

[Dataman]

Of course this pattern was Created to appear exactly as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.) As the amounts of Uranium and Lead (inter alia) were Created to give exactly the same results as other Radioactive Decay Series (worked that word in, moose and cheese later) do for the Age of the Earth.

If the steel in your car millions of years old does that make your car millions of years old?

[Dataman]

BTW, you [evos] would sound smarter if you didn't resort to grade-school name-calling.

Notice how some of them start right in with name calling before even attempting an intelligent sentence? I can understand people who have difficulty with an intelligent sentence also having difficulty with ID.

[Dataman]

The odds of having ALL the Age of the Universe measurements agree are about much less than 1 to the 720th power.

There are only 3 primary age of the universe measurements and none of them agree. They overlap and still that gives a plus or minus age of billions. All three have unproven assumptions, sometimes called presuppositions.

[BubbaBasher]

OK people, try this one on for size. The two sides do not have to be mutually exclusive. This is my own theory that I haven't published before but it attempts to account for what we observe and what we read in the Bible.

Einstein's beautifully simple equation E=Mc2 shows us how we can get energy from matter. Simple algebra tells us we can reverse the equation and get matter from energy. God, being energy, says "Let there be light" and the big bang happened. Tremendous matter created from tremendous energy.

There have been many questions about how long one of God's days are. There certainly is no reason insist that it consists of 24 human hours. Humans didn't exist on the first or second day. If you accept that the rotation of one or more objects can constitute a measurement of time, why not one revolution of our galaxy. Our solar system sits on the outer perimeter of the Milky Way which itself is rotating. I don't know the exact rate but it is in the range of one billion years (or some other very large number). So lets assume that one revolution of the Milky Way is how God measured time and follow the rest of Genesis.

1. The big bang happened on the first day of creation (light). So over the next billion years, one day, the universe expands and scatters matter everywhere.
2. The second day, when God created land, the matter that he scattered has coalesced into galaxies, solar systems, and planets. Just as science has explained it.
3. The day, after geographic and chemical forces have been working for a billion years, he creates water.
4. Next, he creates plants. Low level life forms made from the simplest building blocks.
5. Then animals. A normal progression on an evolutionary scale. Again, over a very long time frame since light, water and plants came about. The Dinosaurs were of course created/evolved during this time period.
6. Finally, he created man, perhaps a homo-sapiens or an earlier ancestor. The point is that the Genesis story follows the evolutionary progression fairly well when not forced into 24 hour human perspective.

Many scientists see the hand of an intelligent designer when they examine nature. It is hard to believe that everything around us happened by chance and accident. Why would God create an entire tree when it is much easier to create a seed? Why couldn't God sit back and watch evolution take place and intervene when he wished to make a change? Switching one gene pair is certainly a lot easier than creating a horse. Why should inexplicable changes in a species be attributed to accident? Why would God waste energy? Things in our universe follow a set of natural laws. Newton and Einstein explained them, God created them.

Believing the earth is only 6,000 (human) years old is not a very defensible position. Even though you can't prove it, believing there was no intelligent design doesn't seem very reasonable either. Mankind has tried to explain the world around us since the beginning of his existence. It is through discussion, debate, and exploration that we increase our understanding.

With that in mind, I would be open to refining my theory through intelligent questions and debate rather than name calling and ignorance.

[zoso82t]

You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly how I feel.

[geopyg]

I read somewhere that the "day" mentioned in Genesis is the Hebrew word for "a span of time" - not actual 24-hour day. I too think the Big Bang theory matches the Genesis story pretty well - like you describe. (Beats the idea of a turtle carrying the Sun on its back anyway!)

[f.Christian]

exactly the same geology ...

my citrus trees are doing very well too ---


A friend of mine // acquaintance had a lime tree farm that was wiped out by the WINDS (( 30 -- 40 mph ussually )) !

You can imagine surrounded by only ocean with intense exposure to the sun can do (( jet streams )) --- trade winds !

The topography // climate -- 'weather (( no word in Hawaiian language )) ' changes alot here !

When I lived in the Mendocino area among the redwood forest was the pygmy forest --- scub pine -- brush -- 'hard pan' too !

Side by side !


Amazing !

[jlogajan]

believing there was no intelligent design doesn't seem very reasonable either.

Who created the creator?

[jlogajan]

as if the Universe was 15,000,000,000 years old (give or take a bit.)

13.7 billion per the above.

[BubbaBasher]

God's mommy and daddy of course. ;-)

[yoe]

BubbaB and Day10

Thank you, Thank you BB. I think MAP, even the earlier probes are just plain fascinating, your remarks give FR a wonderfully rounded forum. Now day10, if you are reading this, I would like the name of that book also. Dimension and perception sort of go hand in hand in discovery.

Question: is math an absolute or theory?