Serbian Orthodox suffer since the United Nations took control of Kosovo

Evangelical Times ^ | 02/21/03 | Evangelical Times, UK

[Karadjordje]

Am asking my Jihadi, because there are nice holiday movies from Bosnia on Islamist Fundamentalist Sites of his SS Jihadi Mujahedini friends:

http://www.islamway.com/arabic/images/vedio/vediot.htm (<- click) 2nd row from top, number 1 to 8 nad again 1 to 8. Have fun. Karadjordje

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DEI- would you explain to me why the Albanians, Croats and Bosnian Muslims were treated very well while I was in Serbia, notably Beograd, Zemun, Novi Sad, Mali Zvornik, Srem Mitrovica and a few other nameless towns I have been to. Can it be there were not any problems created BY the Muslims or Croats, which would have provoked a response such as self-defense? Only in areas where Albanian terrorists, Muslim Jihadians are brought in has trouble occurred.

There werent any problems with the Bosnian Croats of Eastern Bosna when I was there. In fact, daily commerce existed. We both understood the main problematic source- The Muslims. Why is that?

Can you explain, in your own words why? Provide a dictum for the FR lurkers (in balkanvets own words) own benefit. That shall allow those great discerning minds of the Hoplite School of Amoral might become amiable with their posts. They are such great humanitarians, I do not want their greatness to be wasted, would we not?

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No photoshop here, sport.

On the far right is an admin clerk for the base. To his right is gd. C, a journalist formerly of Sarajevo. He was run out by the Muslims because he would not write Pro-Muslim crap and villianize the Serb. He was directly threatened when they tried to kill him after he tried to publish a Pro-Serb story. He left that night without paying the mandatory bounty to be let out of Sarajevo.

The other two, Dragan and Dragoslav are frontline soldiers who fought because the Muslims burned their Serbian neighborhood at the start of the war. Dragan is a dog handler (I cant remember the name of this gentle dog, but this puppy was named honorary Chetnik dog). Dragoslav, he escaped his death. The Muslims tried to stab his family while they were asleep. They could not get him, punch his stomach as hard as you can and you will now. I now have an idea what it is like hitting a brick wall.

The two Drago's are Mladic Garde! Boze Pravde

[homeagain balkansvet]

Why is it that Bosnia and Croatia had the right to secession and Republika Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska based on the same principles did not? These unanswered questions were the reason for the war to break out. Why was the right to self-determination denied to the Serbs before the start of the war? You can't violate internationally recognized borders of a souvereign state (former Yugoslavia) by recognizing the independence of secessionist republics and at the same time declaring the borders of these newly recognized states(Croatia & Bosnia) as untouchable. The west recognized Croatia's and Bosnia's independence from Yugoslavia. Applying the same logic, Serbia, Russia and the rest of the world could have recognized Republika Srpska Krajina and Republika Srpska after Croatia and Bosnia became recognized independent states by the international community. Why not?

You are operating under the misapprehension that our policy toward Serbia and her Neighbors (see below about 'the neighbors') was based from the beginning from some machiavellianistic calculation to Screw Serbia. Not so. We didn't have a freaking clue about what we should do, so we kind of made things up as we went along, as influenced by events. Unfortunately, the events that influenced us were All Bad and, um, er, all pure Serb manufacture (except for Billy, Monica and Ken Starr of which more below).

Here's the sequence of events as how we saw it. You won't buy it, I'm sure, but I'll make the argument anyway. Here's the short version:

0) Never forget the First Law of War: Don't Annoy the Neighbors.

1) In 1990 the West and Russia wasn't entirely sure which side was right. The West had no interest in old Yugoslavia because they were never Nato, and besides, at the time the USA had a little problem with Iraq and Kuwait. The Russians had no interest in Yugo because they were never Warsaw Pact, and besides, at the time the USSR had a little secession problem all their own with, well, everybody.

2) In 1990 The West wasn't willing to stick their nose into a fight they weren't sure was theirs. The Russians, for their part, didn't have a nose to stick anywhere.

3) In 1991 The West saw some degree of right on both sides and were quite willing to let the two sides settle it locally. We might, at the beginning, have dealt with Serb mini-provinces in Croatia having some association with Serbia or something. It became a practical matter, however. However. HOWEVER....

4) "Settling it locally" included ethnic cleansing BY SERBS from the very beginning: first Croats from the "Serb republics," then Croats and Muslims from the RS.

5) Ethnic cleansing looks really bad on television. For every city the Serbs took in Kraijina etc and in Bosnia etc and cleaning out non-Serbs, they lost influence in the West because they too closely resembled a certain unnamed German regime we're all aware of. It also violates the Don't Annoy the Neighbors Rule. Strike one.

6) The Serbs besieged Sarajevo.

7) Siege warfare ALSO looks really bad on television. For every random shell landing in a marketplace, the Serbs again lost influence in the West because they too closely resembled a certain unnamed German regime we're all aware of. This ALSO violates the Don't Annoy the Neighbors Rule. Strike two.

8) Europe began to be flooded with large number of Yugoslavian refugees, annoying European taxpayers. Strike two-and-a-half.

8a)Muslims and Croats began to beat the hell out of each other when things got tough, thus making the Serbs look a little bit better by comparison. Reduce strike count to two-and-four-tenths.

9) Serbs began to threaten taking UN piecekeepers and relief personnel hostage. Strike two-and-three-quarters.

10) The 1996 Presidential elections were heaving into view in the US, and the sink emperor didn't want to look bad on the campaign trail. Strike two-and-seven-eights. (Okay, the Serbs didn't have anything to do with this one.)

11) Serbs began rounding up Muslim prisoners of war and sticking them in barns and machinegunning them to death in public, thus becoming TOTALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE from a certain unnamed German regime we're all aware of, and REALLY violating the Don't Annoy the Neighbors Rule. Strikes three through nine; end of inning, end of game, end of series, end of season.

Upshot:

SOMEBODY in the White House decided, between visits to Monica, "Get this $#!T off my TV screen." So we pulled out the piecekeepers, pulled out the relief personnel, and started bombing the hell out of weapons that threatened urban areas. Which by some accident all happened to be owned by the Serbs. We also decided that the bogus Serb "independent republics" in Croatia needed to be put out of business, not because we thought the Croats had the better claim, but because they were slightly better behaved than the Serbs were (better behaved = not rounding up and shooting large numbers of people with an election year coming up, and having the good sense to keep TV cameras away when ethnic cleansing).

RESULT: Blitz, Storm, and the NATO bombing campaign, followed by creative sleep deprivation against the Serb negotiators in Dayton (plus taking advantage of the fact that Milosevic cut your throats when you weren't looking by giving away the Brcko store and the territories around Sarajevo--he SCREWED you guys, don't you know?), followed by the Op. Joint Forge REAL peacekeeping mission.

Verdict: You lose.

Early on, the US might have been perfectly willing to allow a settlement where the Serbs were allowed to keep these lands in their jurisdiction. As it was, we DID allow you to keep 49% of Bosnia, even though you're only 31% of the population there.

But...but....but...but you guys crossed some lines, particularly a bright red one labeled "Genocide." When you did that, that was all she wrote for you. Regarding territory redistribution, we wound up having to fall back on the default setting: status quo ante bellum, let's stick with the borders we know.

oh, I forgot to mention...

12) In 1999, after our (admittedly in-your-face) negotiations with Serbia broke down, you started repeating steps "5" and "7" above against the Kosovars. This led to....

SOMEBODY in the White House AGAIN decided, between visits to Ken Starr, "Get this $#!T off my TV screen...NO! WAIT! KEEP THIS $#!T ON MY TV SCREEN; THEY'RE IMPEACHING MY BUTT!"

So they pulled out the bombers, put the Serb army out of business, destroyed large amounts of Serb industry, and oh by the way, put down that Yugo factory responsible for making the targeting analyst's first car, and lo and behold:

Kosov{o/a} is now Bosnia II. And the Emperor got to keep his crown until 20 Jan 2001.

Happy ending: The Crown Prince of the Sink Emperor loses election in 2000 and the Sink Emperor is succeeded by someone who can keep his fly zipped and who knows how to keep a bunch of smart people working for him without quitting in disgust.

Lesson of the story:

a) It's not enough to be 'right,' if the other side is a lot stronger than you are.

b) Just because you're a lot stronger than they are, doesn't necessarily mean that you're right, especially if you commit a lot of unnecessary atrocities and the other side mews piteously and gets an old guy with a red-white-and-blue top hat, a white beard, an overcoat and a really big baseball bat to come in and save their butts from you.

c) Don't annoy your neighbors too much. As I said above, the Serb "republics" in Croatia had their shot, but they annoyed the neighbors a bit too much. So as part of the general movement to get Serbia to (a) get rid of Slobo and (b) adopt democracy, we needed to shut them down. (Be glad we didn't shut down the Republika Srpska too. Frankly I wish we'd did, the place is a hellhole.)

Morals of the story:

1) Don't annoy the old guy with a red-white-and-blue top hat, a white beard, an overcoat and a really big baseball bat. He tends to win fights he gets into. Especially when he's going after people who beat up on weaklings. ESPECIALLY when the guy giving him orders is being impeached for boinking an unpaid intern.

AND

2) Genocide annoys the neighbors.

[homeagain balkansvet]

The US "negotiating" team bragged that they intentionally set the bar too high for Milosevic to accept. "He needs a good dose of bombing, and that's what he's going to get."

And the problem with this is? The man and his government was an island of genocidal dictatorship in a sea of emerging democracy. He had to go. The real shame was that he didn't come down with a nice case of leukemia so he could have gone quietly, like a certain unamed OTHER dictator I know.

[homeagain balkansvet]

I already have all the latest software, therefore no need to doctor anything.

Finished already? My, you're efficient.

[homeagain balkansvet]

No photoshop here, sport.

Clearly not. All I see is a big white box with a little white box with a little red x in it. You miss school the day they were teaching 'photo posting' in HTML class? (Actually I did, too, which is why I never post photoes.)

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"12) In 1999, after our (admittedly in-your-face) negotiations with Serbia broke down, you started repeating steps "5" and "7" above against the Kosovars. This led to...."

Read Jihadi, how negotiations with Albanian Fascist radical Terrorists look like (ref. Serbian Bujanovac 2001):

"Another diplomat described a recent conversation with Shefket Musliu, leader of the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac in southern Serbia, as "completely hopeless." NATO is trying to broker negotiations between Belgrade and Mr. Musliu.
But Mr. Musliu refused to recognize that the area was a part of Serbia, refused to consider the idea that his men could become local policemen in these majority Albanian areas, refused to acknowledge that the authorities in Belgrade had changed and had a difficult time believing that the United States was not going to bomb the Serbs again to aid his secessionist project, the diplomat said."

International Herald Tribune, "Options Pared, West Gropes for a Response to Balkan Clashes", March 19, 2001

http://www.balkanpeace.org/hed/archive/mar01/hed2850.shtml (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

So why Mr. Radical Musliu refused all this, why?

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

DEI- would you explain to me why the Albanians, Croats and Bosnian Muslims were treated very well while I was in Serbia, notably Beograd, Zemun, Novi Sad, Mali Zvornik, Srem Mitrovica and a few other nameless towns I have been to. Can it be there were not any problems created BY the Muslims or Croats, which would have provoked a response such as self-defense? Only in areas where Albanian terrorists, Muslim Jihadians are brought in has trouble occurred.

This is not rocket science. I've stood on the Drina and seen a flatten mosque in Zvornik (in RS/Bosnia) and a perfectly untouched on in Mali Zvornik (in Serbia) both in line of sight on opposite sides of the river. What made the difference? Serbia, having never suffered from civil war in its homeland, maintained rule of law and a working police force, thus people in Serbia were forced to behave themselves. I'm sure that any self respecting cop in Mali Zvornik would have arrested anyone harming the mosque there, simply because the act would have happened on his beat. Problem was that in Zvornik, there was no working government, even a bad working government; so vandals and thugs ran free, and the police were not very interested in finding those beating up on Muslims they didn't want around anyway.

[homeagain balkansvet]

Well, idiots come in all flavors and sizes; indeed, they're an international phenomenon. This Albanian yahoo is an idiot too.

That's the problem. We found idiots on ALL sides of the Bosnian conflict. Heavily armed and self-centered idiots who were incapable of seeing any point of view but their own.

[Karadjordje]

You still don't gave me an answer why Albanian Fascist attacked Macedonia in 2001?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Why are you so poor of words, when we are talking about Muslim crimes - because they're for sure hoaxes. You explained me that with "I TRUST ONLY UN INSTITUTIONS"!

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

What I say is: I only trust outside sources when evaluating crimes in the former Yugoslavia, because almost EVERYONE who lives there lies or manipulates the truth. The internationals are the only ones who look at the physical evidence and come to conclusions that can be independently verified. We can then look at those conclusions and look at the testimony, and see which testimony fits the physical evidence. And lo and behold, it's always the Serbs as Killers, Muslims as Victims scenario. They never seem to find any physical evidence of war crimes by Bosniacs for some reason.

As for Albania and Macedonia: look, this is more of the Jackson Pollock Population Problem that has plagued the place for years. Specifically, here, it's a problem arising from a "Macedonia" (or FYROM, as they say in diplo-speak--Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia--to keep from offending, of all people, the Greeks)--anyway, a "Macedonia" that is so weak in its own sense of self that its constitution refused to recognize as citizens anyone not "Macedonian," by which they meant "Albanians." Of course the Albanians who attacked Macedonia are thugs too. Here we apply the Rule We Use When We Can't Make Sense Out Of The Situation, Which Is Often In Yugoslavia: "Don't Kill Each Other, You're Annoying The Neighbors." As for who is in the right? I haven't a clue. And neither do you.

[NYC Republican]

Do me a favor- show me where I supported that. Bombing forces that are in retreat/surrender is blatantly WRONG. Whether it's being done to Iraqis or not, it's still wrong.

[DestroyEraseImprove]

We didn't have a freaking clue about what we should do, so we kind of made things up as we went along, as influenced by events.

Like Zimmerman telling Izetbegovic to withdraw his signature from the Lisbon Agreement, that could have prevented the war. Yeah, those guys at the State Departement and at the Pentagon don't know what they're doing. Don't think so.

The Serbs besieged Sarajevo.

BS. Sarajevo was partly under Serbian and partly under muslim controll during the whole war. It was a divided city, whereas both sides kept firing on each other. It looked like siege on CNN, but it wasn't. The Serbs held to their parts of the city and the surrounding suburbs and the muslims to theirs. Ever heard of Grbavica, Romanija? How many tens of thousands Serbs had to leave Serb Sarajevo after Dayton? What about the muslim staged Markale killings for PR purposes?

Europe began to be flooded with large number of Yugoslavian refugees, annoying European taxpayers.

Serbia received almost a milion refugees, so what?

Muslims and Croats began to beat the hell out of each other when things got tough, thus making the Serbs look a little bit better by comparison.

How come the Serbs had no problems at all with Fikret Abdic, the elected President of Bosnia and Hercegovina, but croats and Alija's muslims did?

Serbs began to threaten taking UN piecekeepers and relief personnel hostage.

Serbs were getting bombed these 'peacekeepers', so they shouldn't been surprised about retaliation.

Serbs began rounding up Muslim prisoners of war and sticking them in barns and machinegunning them to death in public...

On CNN? Must have missed that one!

We also decided that the bogus Serb "independent republics" in Croatia needed to be put out of business, not because we thought the Croats had the better claim, but because they were slightly better behaved than the Serbs were (better behaved = not rounding up and shooting large numbers of people with an election year coming up, and having the good sense to keep TV cameras away when ethnic cleansing).

What are you talking about? Krajina was calm for about three years, since the UN came in. Except Medak poket. Where did this rounding up and shooting of Croats by Krajina Serbs took place in 1995?

Blitz, Storm, and the NATO bombing campaign, followed by creative sleep deprivation against the Serb negotiators in Dayton (plus taking advantage of the fact that Milosevic cut your throats when you weren't looking by giving away the Brcko store and the territories around Sarajevo--he SCREWED you guys, don't you know?), followed by the Op. Joint Forge REAL peacekeeping mission.

Yes, Milosevic screwed the Serbs. Agreed.

Early on, the US might have been perfectly willing to allow a settlement where the Serbs were allowed to keep these lands in their jurisdiction. As it was, we DID allow you to keep 49% of Bosnia, even though you're only 31% of the population there.

How generous you are, to allow people to keep their own property. Signs of a perverted and degenerated morality. The Serbs make up only 31% due to the Ustasha-genocide in WWII. Are you happy that the number of Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia was reduced so succesfully by Hitler's allies?

Private ownership of land of those households whose head of the family is of Serbian nationality in percents in Bosnia and Herzegovina (according to settlements) according to the population census on March 31, 1981

In 1999, after our (admittedly in-your-face) negotiations with Serbia broke down, you started repeating steps "5" and "7" above against the Kosovars.

Ah, that's what you call negotiating: 'Sign or get bombed'! As a lawyer you should know, that contracts signed under the barrel of a gun are null and void. The refugee crisis 'exploded' after NATO started it's carpet bombing in Kosovo. But that's what NATO needed to sell this 'humanitarian war', isn't it?

NO! WAIT! KEEP THIS $#!T ON MY TV SCREEN; THEY'RE IMPEACHING MY BUTT!

So who saved his butt and gained from the refugee flood? The Serbs or Clinton? And don't tell me again, the guys at the Penatgon didn't tell Clinton that carpet bombing of Kosovo wouldn't ignite thousands of people to flee Kosovo. Thousands fled to the north as well, but CNN was only in Albania and Macedonia. And the guys at the Penatgon told Clinton exactly what would happen. Guess what, that's exactly what he needed.

Be glad we didn't shut down the Republika Srpska too. Frankly I wish we'd did, the place is a hellhole.

Like you did shut down the former Yugoslavia? Mister, you are an @$$hole, who is no position to shut down countries around the planet.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"We can then look at those conclusions and look at the testimony, and see which testimony fits the physical evidence. And lo and behold, it's always the Serbs as Killers, Muslims as Victims scenario. "

Jihadi, you mean like here:

The Truth About Rajmonda - A KLA Soldier Lies for the Cause

"For the past year, the CBC's Nancy Durham has been sending dispatches from a small Kosovar Albanian village.

So in June, when the NATO-led Kosovo Force - KFOR - opened Kosovo to the outside world Nancy headed straight for Shale to see how the people there had managed during the NATO bombardment. And for the first time, in 18 months of covering the war over Kosovo, she was able to move freely throughout the region.

As a result, Nancy uncovered much more than she expected. Here is the story in her own words.

I returned to Kosovo in June, three days after the arrival of NATO's Kosovo Force, KFOR. It was a thrilling time, and suspenseful too.

I had come to Shale, a village I haven't named until now. During the war I was asked not to. The people wanted to protect their Kosovo Liberation Army run hospital.

I returned to Shale not only to see who survived, and how they managed to, but also to learn more about one person in particular.

During the war here it was impossible to move freely and therefore difficult to get answers to all my questions.

I am looking for Rajmonda Rreci.

I met her for the first time, a year ago, in Shale's KLA hospital. I was told she was being treated for trauma, because she witnessed the killing of her sister, apparently by Serbs in an attack on her village.

"And maybe I will be a part of the Kosovo liberation army because that's the only way for us except if the world help us," she said at the time.

The next time I saw Rajmonda - last December - it was at the KLA's mountain headquarters in Drenica.

She was dressed for her new part, and vowing to die for Kosovo's independence.

"It's a Kalashnikov and it's just like one member of my family. this is for me everything," she told me.

Rajmonda's story was riveting. Everyone could understand her wish to avenge her sister's killing.

I asked her about my visiting Qendresa's grave.

"Even I don't know where it is+", she said. "It's hard, too hard. Really really hard."

When we parted that winter night, I had doubts about Rajmonda's ability to survive. Her Kalashnikov rifle was no match for the Yugoslav army. But I had underestimated Rajmonda.

In June, I found her still on the mountain. This 19-year-old girl had made it through war. She was staying at the KLA's logisitics house, and still a soldier, but on her day off. I stayed the night and Rajmonda talked me through the last months of war. She showed me how she spent her leisure time between battles.

"We sleep 12 girls, in this room, 60 in whole house," she said, "we sleep just like sardines.

I asked what she did in her leisure time, between battles. She unrolled a drawing of a girl on beach. "It's just like my dreams," she said. "We always dreamed to finish the war and then we can go to the beach and have a holiday far away from this place because we saw too much and everything."

Rajmonda seemed more like a child to me than a battle hardened soldier.

"When you see all those that we saw, all those massacres, all the people. When you see that they don't have enough to eat. All the burned houses [so] they stay only in the land, they don't have nothing. ..You don't have time to think that you killed a man or something else. You only want to kill, to kill him because you know what he done to your family. And for me all the people from Kosovo, not only for me but all people for Kosovo are our family."

"Do you think about your sister?" I asked. "I'm thinking about her but I told you I said one time you have to lose something that you love, you really love to have the freedom," she replied.

Rajmonda may have won her freedom but she still belonged to the KLA. She was both loyal soldier, and teenage girl and she had begun to open up a little. Rajmonda admitted she hid things from me; that she already was a member of the KLA when we first met. What else was there to this elusive girl?

The war was over, but Rajmonda was still an obedient soldier.

Last December I had wanted to go to Rajmonda's village to learn more about her. I wanted to gather all the details I could to understand a young girl who had lost her innocence so tragically. Rajmonda asked me not to go there. She said she was worried it might endanger her family if I visited them.

It seemed a reasonable request.

It was a very tense time.

But in June with the retreat of the Yugoslav army, it was at last safe for me to visit her home in Skenderaj.

I wasn't optimistic about finding anyone at home because Rajmonda had told me her family was now in Albania. But this wasn't true.

I found Rajmonda's mother, Barhije, at home along with two other daughters. Two year old Ilirida and, to my astonishment, Rajmonda's nine year old sister, Qendresa. The sister who was supposed to be dead.

I was shocked, but Rajmonda's mother offered a novel explanation. There was a murdered sister, she said, but Rajmonda got her name wrong. It was Dafina who died.

I spent an awkward hour. We looked at the family album. I saw Rajmonda as a toddler on a Montenegran beach holiday. There was no trace of Dafina. I had a sinking feeling. Perhaps there never was a Dafina. Perhaps there was no murdered sister at all. Had I been used for the cause?

Six weeks later, in August, I got my chance to find out. I returned to Kosovo to confront Rajmonda. I found her still near Shale but at another KLA base.

"Yeah, I lied to you," she said.

Rajmonda admits she lied about Qendresa, but claims it didn't start out as a lie. She said she was misinformed.

"In the beginning it was a mistake," she said, "because I spoke when I was not sure. I believed my sister was killed when I was not sure but I believe because we are in war and in war happen everything."

But why didn't Rajmonda put the record straight on my subsequent visits?

"I think about that and I said to myself. 'Why I have to tell her my sister is alive when there are so many girls and mothers who lost the childrens, the sisters, the family. They don't have the chance to give interview.'"

Rajmonda doesn't take all the credit for her strategy.

She claims the doctors at the field hospital encouraged her to lie.

Shpetim Robaj was one of those doctors. He was killed shortly after I met Rajmonda, when his Red Cross vehicle hit a landmine.

But Fitim Selimi, the KLA doctor who treated Rajmonda in September and then took me up the mountain to find her in winter, did survive the war. He appeared completely taken aback by the story, when I found him in Pristina in his new role as director of hospitals for all of Kosovo.

He insisted this was the first he knew of any lie.

"Maybe she thought the job she was doing was too little," he said. "So to show Kosovo she was doing much more she said she lost her sister and to show our suffering maybe she was even capable of saying she lost others."

"I said to myself she is just a journalist and she lives in England and she don't care about us," Rajmonda said. "They don't care about us, how we live, and how we die. they are coming here just to make interview for their career and for their interest."

In August, Rajmonda returned to Skenderaj with me to see her family. She hugs Qendresa, now with her hair cut short. The little girl is oblivious to the story about her death but fascinated with the photos of her soldier sister. Pictures from our encounter last winter on the mountain and pictures from long ago.

"I just wish to be again a little girl....only to be a happy child, happy kid like I was," Rajmonda said.

A happy child like Qendresa, perhaps, whose supposed murder had been the foundation of Rajmonda's story.

A story that had played around the world, and in at least a dozen countries, and each time it was told it reported Qendresa's death.

I wondered how Rajmonda's father, Aslan Rreci, feels about his daughter being used in propaganda.

"We didn't try to do any propaganda," he said. "But against the Serbs you had to fight in every way, even with propaganda like this. but this was only by accident, this wasn't a propaganda on purpose."

"I'm glad it was effective in one condition," Rajmnonda says, "if this was not my story this story belonged to someone else here."

I have reflected on the five days I spent with Shpetim Robaj in September 1998--the week before he died-- the week I first met Rajmonda.

Could he have played a part in this, like Rajmonda claims?

One afternoon he and I stood right beside the cemetary in Pristina, just a few metres from where he'd soon be buried. We watched villages burn in the distance. Kosovo was on fire but the story dominating the news was the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. To many Kosovar Albanians, it seemed the outside world had forgotten them.

Ilir Tolaj thought it had. He was Shpetim's close friend and colleague. One year ago he appealed to the West to intervene. He's never met Rajmonda - except on video tape - but he admits he's impressed with her performance.

"If this is a lie - don't know if it's small or big," he said. "Maybe from my point it's small, from the point of the journalist, it's very big and unacceptable. But if this small lie from my point of view made some kind of impact in what west country did in Kosovo then it's worth it."

The fact is that Rajmonda didn't need a story about a dead sister to explain her motivation. She was born in Drenica in the very place where 18 years later, the war would begin. The first fires of Kosovo's war were set in Prekaz, just a short walk from Rajmonda's home.

In March 1998, Serb forces launched an attack against what they called Albanian terrorists.

It was the assault which alerted the world to the Kosovo conflict.

Children were among the 53 members of the Jashari clan who died.

Rajmonda walked among the Jashari graves in a meadow.

"My best friend was in the same class," she said. "and when the Jasharis were killed...I went in Prekaz. I saw the victims and I saw her... and when I saw her, then I said to myself now it's the moment I'm gonna take the gun and I'm gonna became a member of KLA." "How do I know that's story's true?" I asked.

"Oh you will find it, it's easy," she replied.

Of course finding the truth here is not at all easy. I chose to cover the war in Kosovo by following the people I had come to know through Shpetim Robaj. It's hard for me to believe he played any witting part in perpetrating Rajmonda's lie. In fact often he corrected fellow Kosovars when they told exaggerated stories of suffering. He helped me get started on telling the story of war through the eyes of ordinary people. It was partly because of his death that I wanted to return to those he'd introduced me to. It's by returning repeatedly to Kosovo that I uncovered Rajmonda's lie. But hers is just one. How many other lies will remain buried?"

Source: http://www.tv.cbc.ca/national/pgminfo/kosovo3/rajmonda.html (<- click)

Who wants to uphoald this NWO backed "Serbs as Killers, Muslims as Victims scenario"?

So tell me!

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Christians are helping Christians - That's the right way, Jihad, Isn't it:

The Christian Science Monitor (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Have you watched the movies?

Karadjordje

[smokegenerator]

Einstein, go to this link.

IF you know anything about Geocities, the gifs/jpegs do not show up well when heavily trafficked.