Recall Gray Davis Effort Endorsed by Libertarians and American Independents - BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Recall Gray Davis Committee - www.RecallGrayDavis.com ^ | 02/19/2003 | Howard Kaloogian - Chairman, Recall Gray Davis Committee

[Cinnamon Girl]

The Libertarians should stay away from this recall effort or someone might get spit on.

[bonesmccoy]

Let's GO!

[bootless]

Woo Hoo indeed! Pinging you, Brian...

[Joe Hadenuf]

BIG problem in all of this, ladies and gentlemen. Let's assume this is successful, WHO are we going to get behind to replace Davis ?

Aint no stinking problem. Send the bliping message. Take the AH out. We'll deal with the next AH when the time comes.

Send Davis back to NY in a freaking trailways bus.

[heleny]

"American Independent Party?"

The AIP is the California branch of the Constitution party.
Their party platform seems reasonably conservative.

[Impeach98]

Cinnamon Girl: LOL about the spitting comment hahaha :D Thanks for the chuckle!!!

About who to get behind... these are two names I think Republicans could consider that have merit.

A conservative - Tom McClintock: Anti-car tax hero, fiscal genius, articulate speaker, popular with the base. Top GOP vote-getter in the last election. One drawback: he has trouble raising money.

A moderate/conservative - Matt Fong: Former California State Treasurer. A fiscal genius, affable/amiable personality. Does really well with the Asian community both in votes and fund raising (they are very loyal). Drawback is that he is squishy on abortion and not perfect on some other conservative issues.

I like different things about each candidate. I might prefer McClintock but I guess my point is that if we had to "settle" for Fong I could live with him, whereas I could not live with Riordan who seems at war with conservatives. McClintock would certainly carry the conservative banner on a number of issues quite proudly.

I am actually not too picky about who the GOP nominee is - with a few exceptions - I just happened to name the two above since they are probably my own personal favorites from the two camps. McClintock is probably my favorite GOPer that conservatives would most like and Fong is probably my favorite GOPer that the moderates would push even though I don't consider him a "moderate" in the way that most people who say they are "moderate" usually are -which is anti-conservative.

My main goal is to make sure that we stop allowing corrupt politicians to misuse government and engage in complete corruption and deception while they destroy the state and then are not held accountable because no one goes after them for their lies, deception, malfeasance or corruption.

This recall effort provides an opportunity to really "push back" in the other direction and show that you cannot mistreat citizens and face no reprisals.

As for me mentioning McClintock and Fong - please don't criticize me mentioning them. I am not advocating any particular candidate, I just think they are attractive options to consider from the two wings of the party and if I had to I would find either to be preferable to Mr. Davis. I'll let the rest of you fight it out as to WHO should be the GOP candidate to line up behind and I will listen intently.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Personally, I don't have a big problem with either Fong or McClintock (the latter of whom SHOULD'VE won his race had the AIP not incredibly fielded a candidate of total ideological similarity... Usually, it's the Libertarians that screw us out of races (witness OR Gov), but in the case of McClintock, it was solely the AIP to blame). However, in the case of Fong, he was an astonishingly bad campaigner and just crumbled at the mere presence of Boxer, and that is not what we need. I miss Asian Republicans of the like of Sam Hayakawa, who boldly once yanked a bullhorn away from some Communist punk on the Berkeley campus (and Hayakawa, I believe, was a diminutive gentleman) and told them off. That's cajones. McClintock, as you said, will have a money problem -- namely, Gerald "the Pr!ck" Parsky, RINO supremo, won't pony up the dough for his Conservative candidacy (I doubt he'd do the same for moderate Fong). Nope, Parsky is waiting to back his guy again, and his guy is Tricky Dick Riordan. He'll argue that Tricky Dick has crossover appeal -- well, of course he does, he's a thinly-disguised Liberal 'Rat (think Mike Bloomberg). If Tricky Dick wants to be Governor so bad, let him run as a 'Rat.

[wita]

Seems reasonably conservative?, If it isn't I'm in the wrong party? At least they stand by their platform and expect their candidates to do the same, unlike some other parties which we won't name.

[liberallarry]

This is partisanship gone crazy - party before state.

Davis was elected and is doing what he said he'd do. Try and help him. This mindless divisiveness will only cost the taxpayers more money - and you'll never win.

I can hardly wait to hear the viscious slurs but I had to say it.

[TwoStep]

Good news ~~ **Bump**

We only need 850,000 verified sigs!

[unspun]

The AIP is the California branch of the Constitution party. Their party platform seems reasonably conservative.

...and if they succeed in getting established and drawing votes, it should help to secure keeping Democrat politicians in power in and from CA for years and years....

[fieldmarshaldj]

Larry, Davis BOUGHT his reelection, and even managed to choose his opponent, too (though I actually was happy he knocked Riordan out of the race, since he helped raise awareness of his record, but I'd at least like to think we could've done it ourselves). Why would we want to help him in ANY way after the mess he personally created ? He made his bed, and now he must lie in it. The only agreement you and I may have is on recall, something with which I'm not entirely sold on because we don't have our act together as to whom the GOP intends to nominate to run in a special. If it's Riordan, I'd vote to keep Davis. Let the "D" be at the helm when the SS California finally takes its last mighty breath and slips into the gentle waves of the azure Pacific.

[liberallarry]

I was so unhappy with the candidates - all of them - I sat out the election. First time I've done that in 45 years.

Nonetheless, the voters made their selection from what was offered. Davis is no more or less incompetent and corrupt now than he was before. The voters will not be impressed by what the recall movement offers. They'll see it for what it is - sore losers, fanatic partisans.

When you lose an election you're supposed to recognize your loss and work together with your opponents for the good of the state. The only exception to that would be in the case of new revelations of malfeasance or criminality. That hasn't happened.

[Commie Basher]

The AIP is the California branch of the Constitution party.

Not quite. The AIP is one of the remnants of George Wallace's 1968 AIP. Several "American Party" varients still float about in various states, occassionally uniting, occassionally sniping.

The California AIP "affiliated" with the Populist Party in the 1980s, and more recently with the US Taxpayer's Party and Constitution Party. Yet despite their affiliations, the California AIP remains independent.

More recently, the Reform Party lost their California ballot status, and several Reformer/Buchananites have joined the the AIP.

[Commie Basher]

and if they succeed in getting established and drawing votes,

They've been established since 1968 -- see my post #54 for the AIP's history.

[nicmarlo]

Oh, and Costas was a lousy spokesman on O'Reily the other night. He couldn't answer O'Reilly's question as to what had changed since the election to justify a recall. The obvious answer, that Davis had concealed the extent of the budget deficit until after the election, wasn't brought up.

Yeah, I saw that....O'Reilly kept asking him, what's different between now than November, when he was voted in......

[heleny]

Thanks for the clarification about the AIP.