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Same-sex couples are redefining family law in USA
USA TODAY ^ | Feb 18 | Joan Biskupic

Posted on 02/18/2003 8:30:41 AM PST by new cruelty

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To: McNoggin
No, You have an OPTION of charging indecent exposure, a misdemeanor, OR Crimes Against Nature A Felony.

The elements to indecent exposure are simpler to prove. If you caught a heterosexual couple in the act of sodomy, then you could charge the felony.

If you caught them in the act of regular intercourse, then you could charge only the misdemeanor.

81 posted on 02/18/2003 4:01:15 PM PST by FF578 (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
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To: FF578
IIRC, last time this subject came up (to coin a phrase) you we gloating about how many teenagers live's you'd ruined with this very law.

You seemed quite proud about never cutting any of them any slack, disecretion, benefit of the doubt, or ability to plea to a lesser charge.

You viewed you job as a personal Mission from God to stop any sex act that didn't measure up (to coin another phrase ;^)...) to the standards set in Leviticus.

You seemed genuinely disappointed that we just don't stone 'em to death anymore...

Do I recall correctly?

82 posted on 02/18/2003 4:05:00 PM PST by null and void
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To: FF578
Ahhh, you do miss the good old days, dontcha?...
83 posted on 02/18/2003 4:10:16 PM PST by null and void
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To: new cruelty
Aside from all the moral claptrap, this much is clear. Homosexuality is a NON-survivor trait. I think it should be encouraged in some groups thereby slowing down or eliminating reproduction. In this case, clearly both hard line evolution suporters and rabid creationists can agree. Homosexuality cannot pass from generation to generation because there is no procreation...
It is a LEARNED behavior, supported by deviants, pushed by the new left as part of a restructuring of the moral fabric of this nation. Another tactic to push America away from the traditional family and into the government administrated creche.
84 posted on 02/18/2003 4:11:15 PM PST by cavtrooper21 ('bout time for some mounted saber practice....)
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To: FF578
This should answer all of your questions.

Well, it really doesn't, but thanks anyway for at least not ignoring them. I dunno, FF, I'll just never understand your type. While I cannot stand the PC "tolerance" nonsense and aggresive brainwashing campaigns that a minority of gays engage in, I have more than one close relative that is gay. The fact that you would just as soon see them dead perplexes me. The scary thing is, I can tell you're an intelligent person by reading your comments on firearms as well as US/Iraqi weaponry.

I'll say a prayer for you.
85 posted on 02/18/2003 4:12:09 PM PST by jmc813 (Do tigers sleep in lily patches? Do rhinos run from thunder?)
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To: FF578
If you caught them in the act of regular intercourse, then you could charge only the misdemeanor.

You have an OPTION of charging indecent exposure, a misdemeanor, OR Crimes Against Nature A Felony.

Soooo, just out of curiosity have YOU that's Y-O-U personally ever failed to exercise the option of charging it as a felony?

86 posted on 02/18/2003 4:14:11 PM PST by null and void (Hmmm?)
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To: jmc813
Almighty God sets the standards for Morality, not humans. God's standard regarding homosexuality, is that it is an abomination worthy of death.

God destroyed two entire cities over this wicked sin.

The Bible is clear The homosexual act is what is to be hated, not the person behind the act.

Homosexuality is a sin just like murder. Homosexuality is also a choice, just like murder. Liberals have brainwashed Americans, that it is not, but they cannot change fact.

87 posted on 02/18/2003 5:08:13 PM PST by FF578 (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
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To: Motherbear
Should homosexuality be against the law, in your current opinion? -- Wait -- don't answer that yet -- not until you look up the "age of consent" at least.

Let me ask another question -- my nieghbor has a better snow-blower than mine, yet my walkways are longer, as is my driveway. Yet he will refuses to lend or rent it to me.

Do I have a claim to just up and borrow it when he is not using it, as long as I return it in the same condition. Clearly he wouldn't be using it then, and has no loss, eh?

88 posted on 02/18/2003 5:45:42 PM PST by bvw
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To: FreeTally
No, I don't think I am confusing words. I do not feel that homosexuals have such "inalienable" rights anymore than pederasts do. Their actions, activities and lifestyles harm children. Securing "rights" only exacerbates that harm, imho. Being enabled by willing jurists who ignore the law, the intentions of the law and the traditions of the culture will create more problems than it solves.
89 posted on 02/19/2003 3:21:57 AM PST by Adder
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To: FreeTally
But the state DOES have an interest in protecting children and soceity by defining what the function of such unions are. The argument is not whether homosexuals can pack fudge, but rather whether those unions should be defined as "families" and should have protections.

The idea that children should be placed and supported in situations which deliberately endanger their healthy development is heinous and callous. And I don't care about all the noble anecdotes about "caring for children with special needs". The fact remains that the family is the primary method of socializing the next generation, of developing new human beings. As such, families demanded and were given protections by law to enhance and support their development and to assure that the family survives.

There is nothing inherently moral about the stance. It is a codification of "natural law" that the family unit is at a minimum one man one woman and one child. Enabling such "unnatural" systems to exist weakens the future generations by promulgating and creating segments of the population averse to propagation.

No, I do not want the government to snoop in my bedroom or anyone else's. But defending the "rights" of homosexuals to warp the minds of children is not the direction we should be taking either. The same arguments could be made for the "rights" of pedophiles or junkies or anyone else...after all they are people, too.

90 posted on 02/19/2003 4:07:34 AM PST by Adder
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To: Motherbear
I agree that sodomy shouldn't be against the law, but I also believe that homosexuals can't marry (DON't change the definition, PLEASE...invent your own word), and they certainly shouldn't be allowed to adopt.

I agree. I have never supported "state recognized" marriages of two people of the same sex. You are correct, it is not marriage.

I do not support adoption by two persons of the same sex either. One reason is that I do believe that "homosexuality" is a mental disorder. You have two people who have chosen a relationship that children can not result from, but they want children anyway. An obvious sign of a mental disorder.

91 posted on 02/19/2003 6:04:07 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Adder
No, I don't think I am confusing words. I do not feel that homosexuals have such "inalienable" rights anymore than pederasts do.

Sorry, not familiar with that word.

Their actions, activities and lifestyles harm children.

Two people engaging in sex hurts children? Not in the world I live in.

Securing "rights" only exacerbates that harm, imho.

That's funny.

Being enabled by willing jurists who ignore the law, the intentions of the law and the traditions of the culture will create more problems than it solves.

Ignore the law? Hilarious. We are compelled to ignore the law when the "law" ignores individual rights.

92 posted on 02/19/2003 6:07:35 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Adder
But the state DOES have an interest in protecting children and soceity by defining what the function of such unions are. The argument is not whether homosexuals can pack fudge, but rather whether those unions should be defined as "families" and should have protections.

I think you inferred that I support state recognized same-sex marriages and same-sex adoptions. I do not. My #91 explains why.

I am simply against laws that make consentual behvior "illegal". Nothing more, nothing less. No one has a "right" to be the guardian of children they did not produce. The State does have a compelling interest, as you state, to protect children. While I am not saying 100% of "homosexuals" are pedophiles, they certainly do have a mental disorder. The nature of the mental disorder makes them unfit to raise a child, IMO.

93 posted on 02/19/2003 6:11:50 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: null and void
Anybody that thinks it's ok for fags to adopt kids is a sick individual.
95 posted on 02/19/2003 6:17:10 AM PST by ohioman
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To: McNoggin
You're using superstition and fable to reinforce your own prejudice. Fortunately, christian fable does not have the force of law in this country.

While I will not go as far to call the Bible "Superstition" and "fable", I will say(and always do) that many people in their zeal confuse Old Testement(Old Covenant) laws handed down to the Israelites with New Testement(New Covenant) teachings by Christ. Old Covenant laws such as stoning homosexuals, idolaters and aldulterists had reasons. Those reasons passed away, according to the Bible, when Christ died. Such laws as "death to sinners" were no longer applicable to people who would now be called "Christians".

96 posted on 02/19/2003 6:18:34 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: null and void
You seemed genuinely disappointed that we just don't stone 'em to death anymore...

You've observed correctly.

97 posted on 02/19/2003 6:31:09 AM PST by jimt
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To: new cruelty
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98 posted on 02/19/2003 6:32:58 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: Adder
The fact remains that the family is the primary method of socializing the next generation, of developing new human beings. As such, families demanded and were given protections by law to enhance and support their development and to assure that the family survives.

Ah! That explains our tax penalties on married couples!

It also explains why the rules developed by the "Great Society" forbid welfare moms from having a male role model in the house.

It fails to explain why so many elderly couples need to get divorced so the state wont sieze all their savings and the very roof over their heads to pay medical bills.

Thanks for playing. Try again.

99 posted on 02/19/2003 7:31:00 AM PST by null and void
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To: McNoggin
Gays and lesbians are no more worthy of death than you are.

In his case, that's a weak argument...

;^P

100 posted on 02/19/2003 7:34:31 AM PST by null and void
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