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The "Threat" of Creationism, by Isaac Asimov
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Posted on 02/15/2003 4:18:25 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Darwin_is_passe
I might as well very quickly hit a couple of other points, if only to bring your science more up to date.
1) Darwin was the original gradualist. He flirted a little with catastrophism and scenarios that look a bit like punctuated equilibrium but that was mostly a later refinement by Gould and Eldridge. Darwin spent a lot of time wondering why things didn't look like an unbroken continuum everywhere. He's out of date in that regard, but you're not much ahead of him. He has the excuse that he's been dead since the 1880s.
2) The "plants first" model is just about dead, whether or not you think the first animals came out of RNA World. If you don't know that RNA World is, I wouldn't be too surprised.
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To: Darwin_is_passe
I do not believe that the world was created in 7 days 6,000 years ago.
Um, but your boy Duane Gish does, in fact, all of his books and speeches speak to this.
I think it's patently obvious to even the most casual observer that evolution of some sort takes place
Is it then, so very difficult for you to come to grips with the fact that maybe a bunch of small changes over time equal a big change over more time? (not to mention punk eek, I don't want to hurt your brain).
If an insect, or even to use the better example of a virus has more reproductive events in a a few decades, or a few centuries than man-kind has ever had over it's 2+billion year existance, then why have we changed so much, and they have changed so little?
Ok, now we know you're just a goof, and certainly no scientist. Dude, do you have even the faintest idea regarding evolutionary theory? This sentence certainly proves that you don't. Go get you dictionary and look up, "niche." This will help you on your way. (Of course, I can't ignore the fact that you apparently think mosquito's today are the same as mosquito's of the Carboniferous. They were the size of freaking helicopters. And, of course, viruses evolve rather rapidly, no? And since you are such a scientist and will be researching all this stuff, try to figure out why your example of the mosquito, which carries a certain illness called malaria, while not viral, has some interesting evolutionary constructs. Hint: search "malaria and sickle cell anemia."
I'll let my "snickering cronies" address the rest of your post, if it's even worth it.
To: Darwin_is_passe
It's hack science. It's 100+ years old, yet we still hang onto it as if it were a life-raft!
Easy there, tough guy, you might want to be a little more careful and not show your true colors so early in the game. These sentences sound so familiar... oh yeah, they are overused creationist drivel we've all read here a hundred times before. Try harder.
To: Darwin_is_passe
man-kind has ever had over it's 2+billion year existance You don't seriously believe that mankind has been around 2+billion years do you?
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posted on
02/27/2003 3:37:56 PM PST
by
balrog666
(When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
To: Darwin_is_passe
The only logical explanation of the geologic column // geology ---
most of these layers were formed from below as the earth cooled (( surface dried // cracked open ))...
internal 'bubbling // foam' ---
and then this mixture // 'batter' protruded hills and buttes (( cambrian layers // plates on the tops )) through the cracks and holes from below !
This wouldn't be hard to prove ...
plate (( valleys )) edges // cracks would match mountain // hill sides ---
also butte (( canyon sides // layers too )) layers (( thicker )) ---
would match underground layers (( thinner )) ...
this is all self evident --- obvious !
You just have to unlearn the evo hoax (( erosian )) // ruse (( old earth )) !
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posted on
02/27/2003 3:54:58 PM PST
by
f.Christian
(( + God *IS* Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY = Awakening + ))
To: Trickyguy
I still like Asimov, but when he talks about religion it is important to know he was a secular huminist and an atheist. We all have our hotbuttons and I believe religion was his.
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posted on
02/27/2003 4:11:02 PM PST
by
LauraJean
(Fukai please pass the squid sauce)
To: unspun
LOLOL! Thanks for the chuckle! Hugs!
To: js1138
Thank you so much for your post!Mama (Bohr) warned us not to attempt to visualize the particle/wave phenomenon. Doing so will lead you astray.
LOL! Too late. I visualize everything. I may or may not put words to it, however.
find it interesting that some are castigating physicists for not getting their minds around "immateriality", while physicists are the only ones actually able to, because it takes math to deal with the formalisms of QM. Deep down there are no particals and no waves, only the immaterial formalism. Of ciurse, QM could be wrong, but it would be wrong at a very high level.
In my view, scientists are too quick to shy a path because "there may be dragons there." Starting with the prejudice that all explanations must be material is shortsighted. If I had my way, there would be much more emphasis on differential geometry.
To: balrog666
Darwin_is_passe: "man-kind has ever had over it's 2+billion year existance"
balrog666: "You don't seriously believe that mankind has been around 2+billion years do you?"
Remember, this is from the guy with a 3.8 GPA who posted this charming bit:
Darwin_is_passe: "I'm not one of those people who think the earth is 6,000 years old, but I think until we have proof that the earth is 20 billion years old we shouldn't assume it."
Spelling isn't your only problem, bucko. I hope you don't work with ebola.
To: Alamo-Girl
In my view, scientists are too quick to shy a path because "there may be dragons there." The folks who brought us QM and string theory do not shy away from dragons. There have never been bigger dragons in the history of thought. Someone needs another horse to ride. The shy one's been rode hard and put away wet.
To: PatrickHenry
Can I play? I keep trying to get the inferrers of design to put their inferences to the test, but so far I don't have much luck in getting anyone to play. I'm not sure why, since the claim that we can (reliably, of course) infer design by examining things may be the only testable hypothesis yet produced by ID theory. It seems to me that if ID were to demonstrate that one could reliably - and soundly, naturally - infer design in any arbitrary object or structure, it would do a great deal for ID in terms of promoting its acceptance as valid science. You'd think they'd be jumping at the chance to demonstrate such claims.
But perhaps Diamond just hasn't checked back in yet - hopefully he (she?) will take me up on my offer.
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posted on
02/27/2003 7:40:58 PM PST
by
general_re
(Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.)
To: FrdmLvr
There is no fossil evidence for evolution. Of course there's not.
Even prominent evolutionists have admitted this.
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posted on
02/27/2003 7:45:36 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: Darwin_is_passe; balrog666; general_re; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; longshadow; Nakatu X; ...
Science doesn't work that way. In science a theory is not considered correct until it has been proven to be correct. Darwinian evolution has not been proven to be correct. That's why it's not called Darwin's Law. It's a theory, but it's treated as law.
A theory in science NEVER becomes a law no matter how much evidence is accumulated.
If it did I'd make vaccines on a hunch and give them to millions of people, and then if I found out later that it wasn't protective people would sue my ass off.
Ever hear of rotating cocktails for aids patients as the virus keeps mutating?
And even so, it was still a finch! It didn't become a lizard.
Evolution does not claim this.
The fact is radiological dating is an inexact science at best. I'm not one of those people who think the earth is 6,000 years old, but I think until we have proof that the earth is 20 billion years old we shouldn't assume it.
The evidence points to the entire universe younger than 20 billion years. It also points to our own earth's age at being near 4.66 billion years.
You may want to take a basic astronomy, geology, and physics course or two before posting such drivel.
To: js1138
Thank you for your post! Indeed, quantum mechanics and string theory was a bold move into the mysterious.
Years ago, the implication of a Big Bang (a beginning of time) was such a "dragons be there" issue that even Einstein kluged a cosmological constant to avoid it. Of course, later he withdrew that idea.
But even today, to avoid the implication of a beginning we are offered an assortment of multi-universe theories. I dont object to the theories except the ones that base the alternate universes on the physical laws of this one. Its presumptuous per se and doesnt resolve the anthropic principle. It is also ideology, the necessary conclusion of metaphysical naturalism.
Space.com There's a reason some theorists want other universes to exist: They believe it's the only way to explain why our own universe, whose physical laws are just right to allow life, happens to exist. According to the so-called anthropic principle, there are perhaps an infinite number of universes, each with its own set of physical laws. And one of them happens to be ours. That's much easier to believe, say the anthropic advocates, than a single universe fine-tuned for our existence.
There are two disciplines which should always be above intellectual prejudice: physics and mathematics.
To: whattajoke
I'll let my "snickering cronies" address the rest of your post... Checking in...
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posted on
02/27/2003 8:02:15 PM PST
by
general_re
(Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.)
To: general_re
One for your collection
To: Jorge
Even prominent evolutionists have admitted [no fossil evidence for evolution]. Would any of these quotes happen to be in context?
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posted on
02/27/2003 9:06:04 PM PST
by
Condorman
(Too bad your modem isn't context correcting.)
To: Condorman
Would any of these quotes happen to be in context? Sure, here's the context:
"Only and idiot would assert there is no fossil evidence for evolution."
To: js1138
I use "idiot" in its technical sense of knowing nothing.
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