Senate to Recess without Action on Estrada Nomination

CNSNews.com ^ | Feb.15, 2003 | Christine Hall

[marajade]

Okay, so how quick do you think you could recover from open heart surgery?

[marajade]

And then you have the other senator from KY whose wife was critically ill all of a sudden.... there's no way Frist could have known that...

That means two out of 51 couldn't be in session... and you need 51 for there to be a session...

Do you finally get it?

[JohnG45]

I notice how you just ignored the fact that McConnell had open heart surgery on February 3, 2003. Frist was fully aware of that and still put the Republican Party behind the eight ball by letting the Democrats get their way. How do you explain away his actions? He looks like another Republican wimp to me.

Also assuming that Jim Bunning's wife is critically ill, that would leave 49 Republican senators and 49 senators who would vote the Democrat line. Does not Cheney get to break ties in the Senate?

[JohnG45]

Again, you prove my point.

First reread paragraph 4 of post #139. It contains the FACTUAL basis for my assertions. Let me repeat that for you. The fourth paragraph of post 139 contains the FACTUAL basis for my assertions. I still await the FACTUAL basis for your assertions (post #138). Let me repeat that. I still await the FACTUAL basis for your assertions.

You say that I have a "prediction based upon a feeling?" Could you refer me to the paragraph and line in my post that refers to a "prediction based upon a feeling?"

What in God's name are you smoking?

[LS]

Apparently something of less "punch" than whatever you are smoking. But I enjoy your predictions based on insight. I suppose you have a particular Gypsy you consult?

[LS]

Sigh. Ok, you want evidence? Try this thread.

Read the comments about Kondracke, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/844821/posts?q=1&&page=51

Oh, and the AA batteries in Washington. Don't suppose those were for the "chatter" related to this UAV spraying stuff in Washington, do you? Naaaah. Can't be that. Must be "Frist caved." Sure. That's the answer, BRAINDEAD.

[JohnG45]

I am still waiting for the factual basis of your assertions (Your Post #138). I am still waiting.

I also asked you to refer me to my "predictions." Still waiting. I am still waiting.

[marajade]

You still don't get it... If all the Dem senators stayed home there would only be 49 senators present...

It takes 51 senators present for the senate to be in session...

[sirchtruth]

You do NOT know the strategy,etc...

Yeah, I don't know all those things, but here is what I DO know:

Frist went back on his word, that make him weak. So NO MATTER the outcome we now have a Senate Leader that we won't know what to believe when he threatens sometime!

[LS]

You might check the thread on the terror alert and the types of attacks that were predicted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/844821/posts?q=1&&page=51

Course, you have your mind made up. You KNOW the inside strategy, because you KNOW Frist "went back on his word." Yep. No one can tell you different. Heck, maybe you ARE Bill Frist, because you know what he is thinking.

Now, I will reply to you no more because obviously YOU KNOW.

[sirchtruth]

We also know that I apparently can't write a sentence that makes any sense, or know a Post from a Preview...Sheeze!

[LS]

No one can give you evidence. You and sirchtruth KNOW. You guys are so brilliant, you KNOW things they don't even know in Washington. Gol-ly gee. Man you guys are smart. Bill Frist just doesn't have a clue. Neither does Bush. Too bad you guys aren't running the country.

I gave you evidence. You don't want it, because, dang it, "Bill Frist went back on his word." Yep, you can repeat that like a parrot until hell freezes over, and in the end, Estrada will be confirmed, and you will be wrong. Bye.

[sirchtruth]

So it does not make a lick of difference to you that he went back on his word?

[sirchtruth]

Yep, you can repeat that like a parrot until hell freezes over, and in the end, Estrada will be confirmed, and you will be wrong.

What you fail to comprehend here is not whether Estrada will be confirmed, I hope he is.

This has to do with whether or not our Majority Leader can be trusted when he says something.

[TLBSHOW]

So they go home for a r&r when they should of been on every talk show slamming the democrats this weekend! Bah!

[TLBSHOW]

Sen. Frist Should Force Dems To Stage Real Filibusters
By Paul M. Weyrich
January 23, 2003

How is Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) going to cope with this situation? Well, what he needs to do is to force real filibusters on the Senate. You see, since the mid-1970s, the Senate has not had a real filibuster, the kind that has Senators sleeping on cots, with possible cloture votes in the middle of the night.

Since then the Senate has had only "Cadillac" filibusters. That is to say, a Senate leader, usually the Minority Leader, would announce that a measure was being opposed and a discussion on the issue was held for an hour or two. Then that issue was set aside and regular Senate business was conducted. The next day another hour might be spent on the bill that was being filibustered, but again that would be set aside and the Senate would proceed to the regular order.

These filibusters are painless. After a few days, usually, the Majority Leader would file a cloture petition, or a measure to shut off debate. After three more days of the non-filibuster filibuster, a vote would be held. If there were 60 votes to shut off debate, then the issue itself would be voted on. If there were not 60 votes to shut off debate, the Majority Leader might set the measure aside, in which case it was dead for that Congress.

If the vote on cloture was close, additional cloture votes might be held to see if debate could be ended. If I recall correctly, the most number of cloture votes that was ever held was five, in the late 1960s, on a bill the unions wanted badly but which was blocked by Republicans. In those days one needed only 34 votes to continue the filibuster.

Well, to stop this shameless strategy on the part of Daschle and friends to end up with another "Do Nothing Congress," Sen. Frist must return to the days of the real filibuster. We don't have Strom Thurmond's health to worry about anymore. Senators should be required to deal with one subject only, namely the item being filibustered. The public will soon hear about the topic being discussed. The liberals will then have to defend their position. Then howls of anguish will be heard from the Democratic cloakroom. The Democrats, at least 41 of them, don't mind showing up to vote but to have to actually debate the subject, that is another matter.

When it is clear to the American people that the liberals are obstructionist, the pressure will be on Daschle to abandon the filibuster strategy. Then perhaps the President's initiatives and nominations will be fairly considered.

Paul Weyrich is Chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation.

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:MxFXpwKtNkoJ:www.aim.org/publications/guest_columns/weyrich/2003/jan23.html+bill+frist+%3B+filibuster&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[TLBSHOW]

Bill Frist must be prepared to make the Dems stay there, for as long as it takes. By calling their bluff, Frist will have set a good precedent: that under his management, 51 votes represents a Senate majority. And, an opening act that focuses public attention on a Democratic filibuster of a Hispanic or a female nominee will set the stage for the coming acrimonious battles over nominees for the Supreme Court.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kob/kob.asp

[CurlyDave]

DON'T JUST POST HERE -- DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT !!

If every freeper took this opportunity to email their senators on the issue we could have a significant impact.

Holding my nose and choking back the barf all the way, I did a google search on US Senate, and then followed my nose to where I could send email to my "senators".

I wrote to both Boxer & Feinstein asking them to vote to confirm and pointing out that "a fillibuster makes us look foolish."

Don't be confrontational, write as though you are a liberal RAT who thinks that this battle must be conceeded to win a greater war.

[TLBSHOW]

The opening volley in the liberal assault on the GOP agenda is the threatened filibuster of judicial nominees," the writer said.
"Democrats have disruptive designs on much of the Bush agenda, but since the announced offensive against fully qualified judicial nominees is unprecedented, so too should be the response of the Senate's new majority. A threatened filibuster alone should not allow 41 senators to block the confirmation of federal judges. Rather than surrender pre-emptively to the need for 60 votes to confirm a judge, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist should call the Democrats' bluff, and bring back the traditional filibuster. Let Kate Michelman, leader of the abortion lobby, man the cots and wipe the brows of weary Democrats forced to talk 'round the clock.'
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030211-94412868.htm

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