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Posted on 02/13/2003 6:56:57 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, 2 questions:
1. Are you a practicing homosexual, or have you ever been one?
2. Do you believe that the scriptures allow for men or women to practice homosexuality?
To: Luis Gonzalez
Let's say that we took the same ad, and instead of two men's hands inside that circle, I chose to place a white hand, and a black hand...then mader some sort of comment about how wrong inter-racial marriage is. Would that be considered offensive? Many people (but not all) would find that offensive. But that's not the point at all, Luis. In the United States, I have the right to say whatever I want - whether it be offensive to someone or not. Your idea that we should squelch offensive speech is offensive to me - but that's irrelevant to your freedom to say it. If I say any of the following, someone will be offended: abortion is wrong, the Confederate flag shouldn't be flown over state capitols, Boy Scouts should ban homosexual scoutmasters, Catholic priests should be allowed to marry, etc. etc. Once you ban speech that offends, you have the power to ban all speech. The 1st Amendment guarantees the right to free speech, NOT the right not to be offended. Homosexuals have told me they have the right to teach my children about anal intercourse, to take my sons camping in my absence, to teach my kids that God has no problem with homosexual acts. I find all of these statements patently offensive and wrong and I vehemently disagree with them, but I recognize their right to say them. You're confused about free speech. Once free speech is taken away, your ability to organize politically, your ability to refute the government's stand on something, your ability to stand for what you believe in is taken away. That's what's happening in Canada. That's tyranny.
To: Luis Gonzalez
I was *pinged* to this thread. Didn't realize, Luis.
To: Luis Gonzalez
Christians my friend, aren't perfect. We're just forgiven. If you are truly repentant and try your very hardest (with God's help) to resist the temptation to sin...
To: MEGoody; Snowyman
The purchaser of the ad did not change the words of God as shown in the bible. Therefore, he obviously is not perverting them. Precisely.
To: Luis Gonzalez
"Christian intolerance" will be on trial.
Those who make these sorts of claims have already tried, convicted and sentenced Christians. No matter what we do within the confines of our faith, they will not be satisfied.
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posted on
02/13/2003 2:43:33 PM PST
by
MEGoody
Comment #127 Removed by Moderator
To: Luis Gonzalez
"Christians my friend, aren't perfect. We're just forgiven."
Should we then continue in sin so that grace may abound? By no means!
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posted on
02/13/2003 2:45:29 PM PST
by
MEGoody
To: MEGoody
But providing them with amunition is not the answwer either.
129
posted on
02/13/2003 2:46:23 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
To: MEGoody
Is there a limit to the number of times Christ will forgive a sinner?
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posted on
02/13/2003 2:47:04 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
To: Luis Gonzalez
"But providing them with amunition is not the answwer either."
If they don't have ammunition, they will make it up. They won't be stopped no matter what we do. And frankly, I'm not surprised. Jesus said they hated Him, they will hate us.
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posted on
02/13/2003 2:47:46 PM PST
by
MEGoody
To: Luis Gonzalez
"Is there a limit to the number of times Christ will forgive a sinner?"
Didn't say there was. I was simply quoting what Paul says in scripture to a group of people who thought it was perfectly okay to keep right on enjoying their prior sins after being saved by grace through faith.
132
posted on
02/13/2003 2:48:52 PM PST
by
MEGoody
To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, 2 questions:
1. Are you a practicing homosexual, or have you ever been one?
2. Do you believe that the scriptures allow for men or women to practice homosexuality?
To: Luis Gonzalez
Is there a limit to the number of times Christ will forgive a sinner? Not, Luis, if is he is truly repentant. But he who sins in the assured expectation of forgiveness is not truly repentant. Those who are wed to their sins need to be very careful.
To: Notwithstanding
The Canada of the future: Not allowed to put ads in papers opposing abortion - might be seen as hate speech against moms who want to kill their children. - Not allowed to put ads in papers opposing adultery - might be seen as hate speech against adulterers. - Not allowed to put ads in papers opposing Islamic terrorists - might be seen as offensive to Muslims. - Not allowed to put ads in papers suggesting that immigration be more limited - might be seen as offensive to immigrants. The Canada of the future: not allowed to state your opinion about something. The Canada of the future: keep your mouth shut - for your own good - or else.
To: Fitzcarraldo
Fascinating article... thanks
To: Sangamon Kid
What beliefs I have about the scriptures, or those that you may have for that matter, have little impact on secular laws.
We live in a day and age of "community standards", a concept well-known to good Christian folks waging war against nude bars and porn shops in the streets of their towns. The problem with these "community standards" is that all members of the community have a say-so. This ad was brought up to Court by someone who took offense (I can't think of another way a Judge would have gotten to pass judgement on this), and they won.
As for your first question, I hate to disappoint you, I hope I didn't come across as if I was leading you on.
I may have some good news for you however. My wife says that there are a couple of guys in her office that may be interested, and she would be happy to help you all exchange e-mail addresses.
Let me know if you're interested, and I'll pass the message on to her.
The girl can't help it, she's a hopeless romantic, and right now, is in full-blown Valentine's mode.
Good luck to you, and I hope you meet a nice guy someday.
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posted on
02/13/2003 3:38:50 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
To: GoAhead-Make My Day
Well I live in the West, am a born-again Christian, live in a small City Bible Belt area and our speech has certainly not been inhibited yet. Nor frankly, will it ever, I would go to jail first. Svend Robinson comes from the scum end of Vancouver and is so totally given over to his depravity that he no longer knows what's right. He is demon possessed imo. And for that matter, Jean Creepien is also. I agree that Canada needs a major political overhaul but unless Ontario gets a grip and stops voting in Federal Liberals, we don't have a chance. Only chance is Western Separation. Some of you speak with a very broad brush. You are not knowledgeable about the entire country. It is a very fractionated Country and the public Federal Leadership of this Country are disproportionately representing an actual minority. Most Westerners are freedom loving, God loving, Gun Loving & possessing people.
138
posted on
02/13/2003 3:42:42 PM PST
by
Canadian Outrage
(all us Western Canuks belong South)
To: yendu bwam
I'm not at all confused about free speech at all.
But freedom of speech isn't absolute either.
As I said, one can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, one can't hide behind freedom of speech to run money scams, one can't advocate the violent overthrow of the government, one can't incite a riot.
I could go on with examples of prefectly permissible limitations on free speech.
You are staging a valiant defense of this minister's right to place this ad, and speak his mind freely about his religious beliefs.
Do you defend the right of Muslims to do the same? To openly condemn America and western civilization in general from their Mosques for being ungodly?
Don't take the easy way out and say that theirs isn't a religion, under secular law, you don't get to define anyone else's religion anymore that anyone gets to define yours.
139
posted on
02/13/2003 3:49:28 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
To: Canadian Outrage
Let us know how much bail you are going to need to raise.
:-)
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posted on
02/13/2003 3:50:25 PM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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