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World War II Rescued American Airmen Defend Serbs [WARNING-GRAPHIC PHOTOS]
National Committee of American Airmen ^ | April 9, 1999 | Richard L. Felman

Posted on 02/07/2003 6:24:30 PM PST by Karadjordje

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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Thank you for posting that excellent opinion, my friend!

I concur.

Bosnia is a problem that will fester until it is solved.



be seeing you,

foreign policy wonk


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81 posted on 02/09/2003 3:50:11 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
The more I think about it, the more I think Tudman screwed up the deal between him and Milosevic. Guess he couldn't resist the temptation to 'defeat' the Krajina Serbs. When Slobo realized that Tudman wasn't going to respect their agreement and further had direct political and military support of the US and Germany he backpedaled. Tried damage delimitation, by forcing the Bosnian Serbs to accept the proposed peace plan, but failed. Finally, the Krajina Serbs were ordered to withdraw and he reached at least to establish the Bosnian Serb Republic at Dayton. Or maybe he was just a treasonous coward without courage and vision for his nation. Who knows.
82 posted on 02/09/2003 4:01:54 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Thank you for posting those awesome insights my friend!

I think they had a deal as well. Evidence points to it.



be seeing you,

foreign policy wonk


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83 posted on 02/09/2003 4:11:26 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
foreign policy wonk wrote:
"Your second map is not a demographic map, but rather a map outlining front lines."

If you look at the title of the New York Times article you can read "DEMOGRAPHICS" and further reading shows "The South Slavs, and Others: Where They Live"

foreign policy wonk wrote:
You're also excluding Serbian Chetnik collaboration, particularly in Bosnia and Croatia.

Mihajlovic (is that the correct spelling?) was the least tainted by collaboration, as he actually fought the Germans.

THE MIHAILOVICH STORY: A RETELLING (<- click)

MIHAILOVICH'S CLOSING SPEECH (<- click)

DRAZA MIHAILOVICH (<- click)

Do you know how many Chetnicks had been liquidated by the Tito communists?
Can you tell me why the Tito Communists hated Chetnicks?

Karadjordje

84 posted on 02/09/2003 4:16:03 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: foreign policy wonk
Those in the know in both Belgrade and Zagreb see that.

Visionaries need to be recognized, and history needs to be tossed.

Don't become a prisoner of history.

Radical Islam is the clear and present danger.

Why then is Zagreb supporting the muslim terrorist KLA and the albanian demands for an independent Kosovo?

The enemy of my enemy......guess the visionaries in Zagreb have only one vision: a humiliated and defeated Serbia on her knees. My advice to them: read some history books and don't forget the Serbs have not been knocked out - they are waiting in their corner for a better coach and the gong for the next round.

85 posted on 02/09/2003 4:16:36 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: foreign policy wonk
I think they had a deal as well. Evidence points to it.

So, who screwed up their deal in your oppinion?

86 posted on 02/09/2003 4:20:41 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Karadjordje
If you are a typical Serbian, then Serbians are the craziest people I've ever met.
87 posted on 02/09/2003 4:21:01 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
CobaltBlue wrote:
"If you are a typical Serbian, then Serbians are the craziest people I've ever met."

Why? Because I'am telling the truth?

Karadjordje

88 posted on 02/09/2003 4:25:31 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Karadjordje
Did you ever read the book, Flatland? There are only two dimensions in Flatland, so people in Flatland can only see things in two dimensions. If a sphere is in front of them, they see a point. If a cube is in front of them, they see a square. It's impossible for them to understand a world in three dimensions.

Your mind is so poisoned and so polarized that you only see part of the truth, but think you see the whole truth.

I don't think there is anything I can do for you. So no point in continuing this exchange.
89 posted on 02/09/2003 4:32:13 PM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Karadjordje
Many Chetniks were liquidated by the Partisans, as exemplified by the Battle of the Neretva when the Hercegovina Chetniks in alliance with the Ustasha, the Germans, and Italians attempted to smash the Partisans.

Instead, the Chetniks were demolished.

Many Chetniks then began to cross over to the Partisan side.

The Partisans, Chetniks, and Ustasha were all ferocious fighters and spared no one.

As for your second map, it shows the frontlines circa 1993-1994.



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foreign policy wonk

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90 posted on 02/09/2003 4:37:28 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
There is no support in Zagreb for an independent Kosovo.

The current socialist administration propped up by the State Dep't supports the OSCE and UN moves.

Those in the know, those good conservatives in both Belgrade and Zagreb, know the danger lies not with each other, but with those I've already mentioned.



be seeing you,

foreign policy wonk


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91 posted on 02/09/2003 4:39:27 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: CobaltBlue
If you are a typical Serbian, then Serbians are the craziest people I've ever met.

Do you want to engage in serious discussion or spout racist crap here? Or are you just bewildered about the events in Srebrenica before 1995? Freerepublic is always good to learn something, isn't it? Otherwise you would still not be able to say who Nasir Oric is and what he did in and arround Srebrenica before that famous firefight that is refered to in the western media as a 'massacre'.

92 posted on 02/09/2003 4:39:38 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Clinton.



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foreign policy wonk


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93 posted on 02/09/2003 4:40:53 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: Karadjordje


7th SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" (<- click)


7th SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" (<- click)


7th SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" (<- click)


7th SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" (<- click)

foreign policy, who did all this Muslim Albanian, Croatian, Muslim Bosnian and German Volksdeutsche SS hunt?

Karadjordje

94 posted on 02/09/2003 4:46:14 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: CobaltBlue
It's impossible for them to understand a world in three dimensions.

Some Serbs see the world in four dimensions. The three you mentioned plus the historical perspective. How many dimensions of the world are we getting from CNN? I mean , have you ever heard of CNN telling the real story about Srebrenica, the surounding vilages, Nasir Oric and his minions killing and rampaging there for years?

95 posted on 02/09/2003 4:48:56 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Karadjordje
Sorry wrong titles to symbols:

Correction

7th SS Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen"

13th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Handschar" kroatische nr1

21st Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS "Skanderbeg"

23rd Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS "Kama" kroatische nr2

Karadjordje

96 posted on 02/09/2003 4:49:11 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Karadjordje
The Prinz Eugen Division was made up of "Volksdeutsche".

Their primary targets were the communist Partisans.

They took part in the legendary Battle of Neretva in 1943.

On the Axis side was:

The 7th Prinz Eugen

Three German Wehrmacht Divisions

One Ustasha Division

The Hercegovina Chetniks under Bachovich and Jevdjevich



They faced off against the Partisans.
97 posted on 02/09/2003 4:51:31 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
Clinton.

I think so, too.

98 posted on 02/09/2003 4:52:07 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Cobalt Blue wrote:
"Some Serbs see the world in four dimensions. The three you mentioned plus the historical perspective. How many dimensions of the world are we getting from CNN? I mean , have you ever heard of CNN telling the real story about Srebrenica, the surounding vilages, Nasir Oric and his minions killing and rampaging there for years?"

Sure I am a evil, mad serb who hates Muslims and wants to butcher and to eat them...WOW...what a perfect racist propaganda.

You're asking why no massmurder of serbs are mentioned in NWO Propganda channels like CNN? Read this Washington Post article about how the CIA and the military want to manipulate your emotions and objective reasoning (Regarding Kosovo Crisis):

WASHINGTON TIMES
Wednesday, 28 July 1999

	Group will battle propaganda abroad
	-----------------------------------

	By Ben Barber

The Clinton administration begins work today on a new International
Public Information group designed to "influence foreign audiences" in
support of U.S. foreign policy and to counteract propaganda by enemies of
the United States.

U.S. military, diplomatic and intelligence officials will participate in
today's meeting of a core group to set up the IPI system of coordinating
all overseas information among the various branches of the U.S.
government.

The aim is "to enhance U.S. security, bolster America's economic
prosperity and to promote democracy abroad," according to the IPI Core
Group Charter, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times.

However, the charter also says that IPI control over "international
military information" is intended to "influence the emotions, motives,
objective reasoning and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments,
organizations, groups and individuals."

The charter makes clear that IPI activities "are overt and address
foreign audiences only." But it also says domestic information should be
"deconflicted" and "synchronized" so as not to send a contradictory
message.

The Clinton administration also hopes to encourage the United Nations and
other international organizations to make "effective use of IPI . . . in
support of multilateral peacekeeping," the charter says.

Shocked by confusion during military missions in Kosovo and Haiti, when
no U.S. agency was empowered to coordinate U.S. efforts to sell its
policies and counteract bad press abroad, President Clinton on April 30
issued a secret Presidential Decision Direction --PDD 68 -- ordering the
creation of IPI.

"In the old days, the U.S. Information Agency and State were the main
agencies for communicating internationally," said an administration
official.

"With the information revolution, all agencies now have the ability to
communicate internationally and interact with foreign populations," said
the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

"IPI is a mechanism that has been established to make sure that these
various actors are working in a coordinated manner."

The charter insists that information distributed through IPI should be
designed not "to mislead foreign audiences" and that information programs
"must be truthful." But numerous clauses in the document have an
Orwellian ring that gives the impression of a vast, coordinated
propaganda operation.

"The objective of IPI is to synchronize the informational objectives,
themes and messages that will be projected overseas . . . to prevent and
mitigate crises and to influence foreign audiences in ways favorable to
the achievement of U.S. foreign policy objectives," the charter says.

U.S. officials, and the text of the charter, explicitly state that the
new information policy will not be used as a propaganda weapon against
the American public --which is prohibited by U.S. law.

However, since foreign media reports often get played back in U.S. media,
it will likely be impossible to prevent a backwash of the pro-U.S.
information into America.

The charter recognizes this by calling for the government's domestic
public affairs activities to be coordinated with its foreign IPI efforts.

Information aimed at domestic audiences should "be coordinated,
integrated, deconflicted and synchronized with the [IPI Core Group] to
achieve a synergistic effect for [government] strategic information
activities," the charter says.

The administration official said that the IPI system is "geared towards
prevention and mitigation of crises" and will remain active in peacetime
"so we won't need to reconstitute the entire thing all the time."

Mr. Clinton's PDD 68, issued with no fanfare during the Kosovo bombing
campaign, orders top officials from the Defense, State, Justice, Commerce
and Treasury departments and the Central Intelligence Agency and FBI to
meet and set up the core group.

Junior level officials from those agencies were to hold the first IPI
planning session today at the State Department. By Friday, the IPI core
group is required to issue a statement of its policies, programs and
scope of its work.

Next Wednesday, senior-level officials meet under the chairmanship of
Morton Halperin, policy planning director of the State Department, to
firm up the IPI system.

While a large number of government agencies are involved, knowledge of
the IPI effort has been closely held.

Aides to top officials in the State Department, USIA and Voice of America
all said yesterday they knew little about the concept apart from a vague
outline of its mission.

The IPI core group is also instructed by the charter to arrange "training
exercises at the National Defense University, National Foreign Affairs
Training Center, the Service War Colleges" and other institutions.

And its activities could go beyond broadcasts and press releases. The IPI
core group is ordered by the presidential directive to "assist [U.S.
government] efforts in defeating adversaries."

"The intelligence community will play a crucial role . . . for
identifying hostile foreign propaganda and deception that targets the
U.S.," the charter says.

	Copyright 1999 News World Communications, Inc.






Karadjordje

99 posted on 02/09/2003 5:05:38 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Paulus Invictus
And you know that Bush has those cozy financial/oil relationships with Fox, how?

Gimme a bleeping break! Ali Bubba calls Fox a "old friend",and Jeb Bush even used to vacation with the previous president of Mexico and his brother. You know,the president who is under indictment for stealing billions,and in exile in Europe? The same one whose brother is in jail in Mexico now for being a major drug dealer and for murder? I believe it was Jeb's Mexican wife who had the contacts there,but I'm not positive of that.

All this is also the reason Ali Bubba refuses to address illegal aliens or closing the border. The family plan is to run Jeb's son,George "The Mexican" Bush for president in the future,and the Bush family wants all the Mexican voters they can get living here.

You should get a job with the CIA if you have such info and can verify it.

Oh yeah,this stuff is really a big-time secret. Jeb's connection to corrupt Mexican politicians who are drug dealers,murderers,and thieves has been written up in various newspapers in the past,including one in Miami. Of course,none of this would mean anything to you,because you would automatically dismiss it as "left wing lies".

100 posted on 02/09/2003 5:07:53 PM PST by sneakypete
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