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Hmm..this is just coming up now?
1 posted on 02/05/2003 1:23:55 PM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
Yeah ... how come this has not been brought up before now ...??
2 posted on 02/05/2003 1:25:48 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: ewing
Hmmmmm me thinks some asses will be kicked shortly...

Either someone making up a story or someone hiding some facts playing CYA. either way this sounds like a battle is heating up in the governemnt bureaucracy...

4 posted on 02/05/2003 1:29:05 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old world word meaning surrender)
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To: ewing
No, the official excuse is now space debris. Ignore the foam that started causing trouble after environmental regulations affected it. That is not it.
6 posted on 02/05/2003 1:29:37 PM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: ewing
"A 2 and one half pound chunk of insulation foam struck the underside"

Written with such certainty... Weight is estimate, composition is a guess (could have been ice too), may have struck leading edge...
7 posted on 02/05/2003 1:30:55 PM PST by ironman
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To: ewing
I think that this story about a "picture of the wing" is unfounded.....I believe this issue has been discussed here somewhere...
8 posted on 02/05/2003 1:31:06 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: ewing
The Senator was only repeating information he recieved from Doug Brown, said his spokeswoman, Carrie Cantrell. There was no phone listing for Doug Brown's home in Arlington and he could not be reached today.

He tells this to a Senator and no one else?? .. Not even the media?

9 posted on 02/05/2003 1:31:20 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: ewing
If this was the case and mission control wasn't contacted about it, my guess is that someone on the shuttle didn't follow protocol for reporting such an incident.
12 posted on 02/05/2003 1:32:38 PM PST by abner (www.usflagballoon.com <--shameless plug)
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To: ewing
From the AP article: Allen only briefly eluded to the astronauts’ concerns in a longer speech Tuesday that memorialized David Brown, a Virginia native.

I don't think the AP writer really wanted to use the word "eluded." He probably was thinking about "alluded," but his public school education got in the way.

14 posted on 02/05/2003 1:33:08 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: ewing
Can shuttle passengers even see under the wing?
20 posted on 02/05/2003 1:34:36 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: ewing
There is no problem that is not made 10 times worse by an attempted coverup...
22 posted on 02/05/2003 1:34:59 PM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: ewing
If they took photos, then they most likely used a digital camera. I can not imagine that they would take photos that were not downloaded to Houston within minutes (even instantaneously) of taking the pictures. Hello, NASA...

--Boot Hill

29 posted on 02/05/2003 1:36:51 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: ewing
If this US Senator produces the picture of the cargo bay wall with a stovepipe hat, I'll just have to laugh myself silly.
31 posted on 02/05/2003 1:37:10 PM PST by gridlock
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To: ewing
Astronauts knew of wing damage

By Irene Brown
UPI Science News
From the Science & Technology Desk
Published 2/5/2003 2:26 PM
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla., Feb. 5 (UPI) -- The remains of the shuttle Columbia astronauts were scheduled to be flown to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Wednesday, as NASA managers struggled with questions about what the astronauts knew about their ill-fated flight.

The leading theory of what doomed Columbia 16 minutes before its planned touchdown in Florida is that a critical portion of the ship's heat-resistant tiles was damaged 80 seconds after launch by a piece of what engineers think is foam insulation falling off the shuttle's external fuel tank. The debris hit was noted the day after Columbia's Jan. 16 liftoff during analysis of launch video.

"The crew knew there was potential impact damage," NASA's deputy associate administrator for spaceflight Michael Kostelnik said at a news briefing.

However, engineering analysis, which was passed along to the crew daily, concluded the damage would not be a safety of flight issue. Even if it had, the question is whether NASA would have spelled that out to the crew.

In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel, an unnamed participant at NASA's internal briefings said, "Maybe they felt it was the only conclusion they could reach because otherwise, what could they do? Do you tell the crew their vehicle might break up?"

NASA has no ability to repair tile damage while the shuttle is in orbit and has no contingency plans for a spacewalk to the underside of the ship. Shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said spacewalking astronauts likely would cause even more damage to the delicate structures if they did. Also, the shuttle had no power or equipment to change orbit and, for example, seek a safe haven aboard the International Space Station, he added.

Sen. George Allen, R-Va., said in a televised speech on Tuesday that the brother of Columbia astronaut David Brown disclosed receiving an e-mail from orbit that conveyed the crew's "concern" about the left wing, the Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch reported in Wednesday's paper. According to the report, the senator said Doug Brown, who lives in Virgina, told him his brother's e-mail said the crew had taken a photo of the left wing.

Kostelnik, however, said from inside the crew cabin the astronauts would not have been in a position to see the underside of the wing and the crew's e-mails to family members and friends were private. He hastened to add, however, the NASA-appointed board investigating the disaster would welcome any communications from the crew families relevant to the ongoing probe.

Though NASA currently is trying to understand how the debris impact could have triggered the loss of the vehicle, other theories about the spaceship's demise -- including an orbital debris hit -- have not been ruled out.

NASA also is evaluating a photograph taken from an amateur photographer in California that shows a mysterious purple electrical bolt striking the orbiter over California, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Another observer in Arizona videotaped what appears to be a small white object falling off the shuttle as it flew over Arizona.

NASA lost all tracking and communications with Columbia minutes later over Texas.


33 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:00 PM PST by kattracks
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To: TLBSHOW; Jael
FYI.
37 posted on 02/05/2003 1:39:44 PM PST by aristeides
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To: ewing
FWIW, the Florida TODAY is our resident liberal...VERY liberal newspaper.

I stopped my subscription YEARS ago....
..and don't miss it.

38 posted on 02/05/2003 1:41:35 PM PST by Guenevere (...Lord of the Rings trilogy)
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To: ewing
The wing is barely visible from the crew compartment. The underside is completely unseeable.


41 posted on 02/05/2003 1:42:26 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (I don't believe in hyphenating Americans)
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To: ewing
This is likely bogus - email would have to go thru mission control and surely would be censored. Why would they not bring this up in their after crash press briefings - they would know this -
48 posted on 02/05/2003 1:45:10 PM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: ewing
Just wondering if Senator Allen has ever had occasion to make a fool of himself?
50 posted on 02/05/2003 1:45:47 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: ewing

Came up yesterday with a photo.
53 posted on 02/05/2003 1:49:42 PM PST by DittoJed2 (Rejoice in the Lord always!)
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To: ewing
This is absolutely stunning information. Now lets see the images if they exist, as they would have been sent to NASA immediately from the shuttle.

One of the crew members, Mission Specialist David Brown, sent e-mail messages to his brother Doug during the mission, Allen said. In those e-mails, David Brown said that the crew took pictures of the left wing because they were concerned about it, Allen said.

58 posted on 02/05/2003 1:51:14 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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