Astronauts doomed from the start

.heraldsun ^ | 2/3/2003 | PHILLIP COOREY and ANNA COCK

[Willie Green]

Since this is kind of your "field," if you will, dare I even say that two accidents in over thirty years is a good record?

Well, I'm just an ordinary engineer, not a rocket scientist.
But yeah, it is pretty amazing that we haven't had more fatal accidents, given the complexity of the machinery. Although I don't have any figures, I believe fatal accidents were much more common among the early aviation pioneers who followed in the footsteps of the Wright Brothers.

We've certainly come a long way since then. The technology is far more complicated than what Orville and Wilbur invented. It really is quite amazing that we can master such complexity as safely as we do.

[Howlin]

Perhaps I chose the wrong words. I agree about the Challenger. And we have yet to see about this one.

But still...

[TLBSHOW]

Correct, accidents don't just happen. There is a cause.

[Mulder]

I'm afraid that the media have already decided that the foam insulation is the "obvious" cause, and will never accept any other explanation, no matter how thorough and competent the investigation and analysis

Hopefully the investigation will get to the bottom of it. I believe that a retired Admiral has been put in charge of the investigation, which MAY mean they really want the truth since they didn't put a political hack like Danforth or Kissinger in charge of it.

Since it's likely that none of the "higher-ups" will need to cover their tails with this incident, as with Waco, OKC, 9/11, etc.... there might actually be a real investigation for a change.

[TLBSHOW]

But still...



but still waiting for your opinion on why this shuttle did not make it to earth?

[Willie Green]

Like it or not, this is the result of failing to thoroughly check things out.

Let us know when you discover that Utopia doesn't exist.

[Howlin]

I stated my opinion last night. In fact, YOU already linked to MY post from last night which had my opinion in it. I said I'd wait to see what NASA said and you made light of that.

You see, unlike you, I still will stick by what I said last night.

See how easy that is. I don't have to wobble or grasp for words because I stated my opinion last night and I haven't had any reason to change it yet. I don't have to worry about what my last lie was because I always tell the truth and I don't say things I cannot back up.

Now, you have been all over these threads today, stating that the shuttle exploded, and that it was in trouble from the point of re-entry and that it was ON FIRE.......

Luis asked you a simple question.

Trying to throw the discussion over to me is NOT an answer to Luis.

Answer him.

[billhilly]

"That is the facts.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the butt.

It would have read better as "those are the facts." and you do pretty much sum up the energizer bunny of FreeRepublic and half a dozen other web sites.

[TLBSHOW]

and you, I don't even look at your posts anymore. Your as clueless as they come. But I do give you credit for at least giving your opinion. Wrong as it is!

[Howlin]

Now maybe I misunderstood what you said to me in your post.

Is this a correct characterization of what you meant?

To: Lancey Howard

Correct, accidents don't just happen. There is a cause.

103 posted on 02/02/2003 11:53 PM EST by TLBSHOW

[Willie Green]

Correct, accidents don't just happen. There is a cause.

And sometimes the cause is that we simply don't live in a perfect world.

[Howlin]

but still waiting for your opinion on why this shuttle did not make it to earth?

I'm not the one who shot my mouth off about that. That was you.

I said very plainly that I'd wait to hear what NASA had to say.

You're the one who cannot remember what you said.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"And sometimes the cause is that we simply don't live in a perfect world."

You're absolutely right Willie, everything is easily avoidable in retrospect.

[#3Fan]

CNN has done a VERY GOOD job of showing other objects hitting the left wing during liftoff. The object they show is NOT the foam and it is white. The first thought is ice. Miles O'Brien (sp) has done an outstanding job of finding that out. Too bad NASA did not see it.

Yes, it sprayed on impact with the wing. I wouldn't think foam would spray. Looks like to me that a large chunk of ice damaged some tiles on take-off, this damage caused more tiles to fall off over California leading to burn-through at the descent's maximum-heat phase over Texas over-heating and popping the tires early in the burn-through then on to catastrophic break-up. This is my guess until any more evidence shows otherwise.

(We are simply discussers, it's OK to guess. Directed to some here complaining of these discussions)

[Howlin]

I don't have time to correct his grammar, too.

[Howlin]

and you, I don't even look at your posts anymore. Your as clueless as they come.

I take that as a NO RESPONSE on your part.

Fraud.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Unlike you, I back up my opinions with something other than cranial flatulation and verbal dysentery.

Let's see those facts Todd, show us your hand.

(wash it first)

[spokanite]

I totally agree with you! There are many posts on this board that are just saying, accidents happen. Well, accidents happen here on planet earth all the time but SOMEONE will end up with the blame!

I'm still struggling with the fact that they didn't have the capability to go outside of the shuttle and take a look at the damage. It was passed off as something minor from the very beginning, without even looking further into it.

[A Citizen Reporter]

"this damage caused more tiles to fall off over California leading"

How do you know that these tiles fell off over California?

[Lancey Howard]

"Is this a correct characterization of what you meant?"

To: Lancey Howard

Correct, accidents don't just happen. There is a cause.

103 posted on 02/02/2003 11:53 PM EST by TLBSHOW

Howlin, I don't even understand what that means.