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Mr. Bush, The $15 Billion Appeasement Won't Work
Ayn Rand Institute ^ | 1/31/03

Posted on 02/02/2003 5:15:50 AM PST by RJCogburn

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1 posted on 02/02/2003 5:15:50 AM PST by RJCogburn
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Practically, morally, and very sadly, Mr. Bush's giveaway is indeed a waste. One, two and three years hence, not one life will have been saved by this largesse.
2 posted on 02/02/2003 5:23:48 AM PST by Thommas
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To one whom much is given, much is expected.

The US is the most powerful nation in the history of the world, it is our responsibility to demonstrate that greatness in more than mere power but in compassion as well.

And that holds true whether we are receiving cudos or insults, afterall, we are not supplying help simply to receive praise or political advantage, we are supplying help because it is the right thing to do.

3 posted on 02/02/2003 5:36:12 AM PST by Pietro
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To: RJCogburn
One more proof that a libertarian is really a conservative in need of prosac. This Randy is over the top.
4 posted on 02/02/2003 5:36:30 AM PST by Mr_Peter
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To: RJCogburn
I guess the offer should be rescinded. It shouldn't have been offered in the first place.
5 posted on 02/02/2003 5:40:06 AM PST by meyer
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Not ONE life will bw saved?! By what feat of of deductive Objectivist brilliance did you come up with that one?

Modern AIDS drugs, made by companies such as Abbott and Pfiser, will save lives in Africa - however imperfectly the beaurocracy over there distributes the pills.

6 posted on 02/02/2003 5:43:42 AM PST by BCrago66
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Modern AIDS drugs, made by companies such as Abbott and Pfiser, will save lives in Africa

Incorrectly put. Money put to that use will merely delay death. Not save life.

Stopping the spread of AIDs is the key.

7 posted on 02/02/2003 5:46:59 AM PST by Glenn
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To: RJCogburn
If individual Americans voluntarily want to give their money to fight AIDS, they can do so privately. But when $15 billion is forcefully expropriated from taxpayers for Mr. Bush's appeasing altruistic gesture it is outrageous and immoral."

Let the American liberals take up the collection among the Hollyweird types and black professional athletes ( they could give up some of their jewelery)
Way back in the 60s conservatives predicted Africa would slide into chaos-famine and disease. But the liberals kept pushing the colonial powers to give them their independence
Well they got it . Now let the liberals worry about them
8 posted on 02/02/2003 5:48:47 AM PST by uncbob
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This is a very basic failure to think here. Whatever your theorizing about generalized trends in Africa, if you are reiteriating the claim that NOT ONE life will be saved - then you're just a little cortically challenged here.

Train your thinking on reality - not on you self-enclosed little theories.

9 posted on 02/02/2003 6:00:16 AM PST by BCrago66
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Train your thinking on reality - not on you self-enclosed little theories.

Your simplistic observations are that somehow throwing free drugs at people to delay their death is the key to the AIDS problem in Africa. It does not cure the disease. It does not prevent the next person from becoming infected. It does nothing for the thousands upon thousands of AIDS orphans. The dosing on AIDS remission drugs is quite complex and treating multiple millions of people is beyond the ability of their medical resources, I am sure.

Reality, and it is a tough reality, is to let nature take its course and spend the limited resources available on stopping the spread of the disease or looking for a cure. It's obvious your bleeding heart can't handle that particular sort of reality.

10 posted on 02/02/2003 6:06:46 AM PST by Glenn
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Stopping the spread of AIDs is the key.

How true. AIDS is not caused by the lack of drugs. Until the behavior is changed (whether in this country or another) this is like pouring money down a rathole.

11 posted on 02/02/2003 6:11:24 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: RJCogburn
I guess you are right $15 Billion of our tax dollars is not enough. Never mind!!!!! we'll use it for our own people.
12 posted on 02/02/2003 6:17:43 AM PST by jshermn
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"If the $15 billion African AIDS package Mr. Bush proposed in his State of The Union speech was intended to appease the critics of his impending attack on Iraq, it won't work, says Yaron Brook, executive director of the Ayn Rand Institute"

In my estimation, the author is against this giveaway all for the wrong reason. I viewed this shameful act to be nothing other than a vote buying scheme that Bush let someone foist upon him. To me, giving away money we do not have should have been the prime interest, not vote buying or trying to look good in the eyes of the world.

13 posted on 02/02/2003 6:23:49 AM PST by cynicom
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I viewed this shameful act to be nothing other than a vote buying scheme

Me, too.

14 posted on 02/02/2003 6:29:59 AM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it is pretty bold talk......)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
"Until the behavior is changed (whether in this country or another) this is like pouring money down a rathole."

Actually, a significant portion of the money is being dedicated to prevention. The model used in Uganda , abstenance and teaching, has lowered the spread of this disease in that country. The black man sitting beside Laura Bush at the SOTU was the health official from Uganda who has pioneered this approach.

Unlike in the US, AIDS in Africa has spread to the general population. If the civilized world doesn't stop it there it will no doubt soon be upon our door and not limited to a certain demographic.

15 posted on 02/02/2003 6:41:31 AM PST by Pietro
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Has anyone thought to see if Mandela might be suffering from Mad Cow Disease or some STD.
He is not right in the head.
16 posted on 02/02/2003 6:44:10 AM PST by chatham
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Let the American liberals take up the collection among the Hollyweird types

If they were sincere, they'd give up their mansions and their designer gowns and donate their money to stopping AIDS in Africa.

17 posted on 02/02/2003 6:49:12 AM PST by FITZ
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Actually, a significant portion of the money is being dedicated to prevention. The model used in Uganda , abstenance and teaching, has lowered the spread of this disease in that country.

That shouldn't cost $15 billion.

18 posted on 02/02/2003 6:52:24 AM PST by FITZ
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That shouldn't cost $15 billion.

It's also being spent on medication and care among other things. Hell, 15B is chump change in a Trillion $ budget.

19 posted on 02/02/2003 6:56:42 AM PST by Pietro
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Modern AIDS drugs, made by companies such as Abbott and Pfiser, will save lives in Africa

Not true. AIDS drugs delay the inevitable and do some good in managing symptoms. But there is not, I repeat NOT, a cure for AIDS at this time.

Until the health beliefs and sexual culture of Africa changes, AIDS infections will continue. The vast majority of Africans refuse to believe the facts of AIDS transmission because it runs counter to their cultural belief systems of illness and disease. Therefore, for example, African men with AIDS continue to pay the male relatives of young virgin girls large sums of money to have sex with the girls because their folk medicine tradition says this will "cure" them. Billions of dollars have already been wasted on educational efforts and mass condom distributions by international health organizations that have failed to curb the statistical nightmare of AIDS in Africa.

It's a depressing situation and one with no immediate signs of relief. Because I understand that throwing money at AIDS drugs, which the people will probably not be compliant in taking anyway, does not mean that I "don't care." It's the liberal way to feel good about intent rather than results. Until a critical mass of culturally influential Africans - I don't mean political or social leaders, I mean local people who are respected within individual neighborhoods and such - take steps to model the positive behavioral changes that will result in a decrease in AIDS transmission, the AIDS epidemic will continue. The people themselves must lead others to make these massive changes in their prevailing culture and day-to-day lives. Nothing else is going to work.

20 posted on 02/02/2003 6:59:09 AM PST by PLK
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