Why Did Israel’s Left Lose?: Mideast futures.

Arutz Sheva ^ | January 29, 2003 | Meyrav Wurmser

[SJackson]

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[SJackson]

Source is National Review

[Alouette]

Outstanding analysis!

[Katya]

"They viewed it as part of the WASP's (White Ashkenazis who Sympathize with Palestinians) general mistreatment of the Right and its supporters.

WASP(big chuckle)...let's see....Once upon a time WASP's in this country used to be stereotyped as "White North Eastern(anglo-saxon) Protestant Republicans".
Now they all vote left and sympathize with the Palestinians...

[dennisw]

Yep. Nice one and first at National Review on Line. This article opened my eyes a bit to the ethnic infighting and right/left infighting going on in Israel. I never realized the "whiter" Euro-Ashkenazim tend to be the arrogant leftists who deny G_d and so denigrate their brother Jews. Just like in South Africa these Ashkenazim liberals are better able to flee Israel when the mess they cook boils over and starts a fire. They have the connections and money to do so.

[dennisw]

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[bankwalker]

Why Did Israel’s Left Lose?

Backlash from the carvile era.

[tictoc]

Israeli voters reacted to what celebrated author Amos Oz, himself a supporter of the peace camp, described recently as the hatred of Israeli left-wing intellectuals "not for the government, but for the entire self-existence. Among some of the radical intelligentsia in Israel today I see hatred not only for the religious, but also for the settlers, the Right, and the nationalists. I see sweeping hatred for the architecture, for the music, the folk songs, the memories — for everything. For the streets on which people walk. For the buses on which people travel."

Thank you, Amos. I know it took guts to say that, especially since many of these same people used to buy your books.

[xJones]

Everything that is said about Israel's left-wing *intelligencia* is identical to America's left-wingers, down to the hate and disdain for others. In fact, it's an excellent description of the hard-core left in more countries than just Israel.

[tictoc]

The rabbis ruled that the woman had to vote according to her husband wishes. This was a sad statement about the treatment of women in Israel. But what really outraged me ...

Check your priorities, Meyrav. That rabbinical decision is a true outrage.

[OldFriend]

Actually I would be happy if women couldn't sit on juries or vote at all..........

I'll duck and cover now!!!

[tictoc]

When I play chess on the Internet I sometimes talk trash at my opponent to throw them off guard.

One time I greeted the other player with "Welcome to my house of pain!"

His reply was, "Too late, I'm already married".

All kidding aside, if I were an Israeli voter I think I'd have a hard time choosing between Likud and Shinui. And given such news items as the rabbis ordering the wife to vote like her husband, and the exemption from military service for the ultra-orthodox, I would probably vote for the latter.

[OldFriend]

The entire reason for the state of Israel was for Jewish people to have a homeland. Would you want to forget the genesis of it's founding? The millions died because they were jewish and now there are those who would prefer not to be jewish. A silent holocaust, IMHO.

[tictoc]

The entire reason for the state of Israel was for Jewish people to have a homeland. Would you want to forget the genesis of it's founding?

No, and nothing in my comments suggests that I would.

[OldFriend]

Your vote for Shinui would bring about a secular country.

[Nix 2]

This was up on my site immediately after Natenel Ozeri's murder and travesty of his burial.

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**Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Meir Lau said procrastination in bringing the dead man to rest showed contempt for his body, Israel Radio reported.**

*JPOST: "The first bitter dispute, lasting well over two hours, occurred outside Hill 22 when Ozeri's parents, who are from Jerusalem, demanded that he be buried there."
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**RABBI LAU, CHIEF ASHKENAZI RABBI OR NO, YOU ARE NOT THE CHIEF RABBI OF KIRYAT ARBA!!! YOU HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, YET YOU CHOSE TO MAKE A PROFANE STATEMENT. WHY???
NATI WAS ALREADY RESTING AND HIS SOUL WAS ALREADY WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. DISALLOWING A MAN'S DYING WISH IN PLACING HIS BODY IN HIS OWN LAND WHERE HE DESIRED WITH ALL OF HIS HEART TO BE AND TO NURTURE IS PROFANE!!!
YOU WOULD HAVE HIS FAMILY, HIS WIFE WHOM HE CHOSE, HIS CHILDREN WHO HE LOVED, TO HAND OVER THEIR HUSBAND AND FATHER TO BE PUT AWAY IN A PLACE THAT WAS OF SOMEONE ELSE'S CHOOSING, NOT HIS???
THIS BURDEN OF SIN YOU WOULD PLACE ON THEIR SOULS???
DO YOU NOT READ TORAH, RABBI??? DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT A MAN LEAVES HIS PARENTS AND CLEAVES UNTO HIS WIFE, WHICH HONORS HIS PARENTS AS AN OBEDIENT SON?
HE WAS A MAN, NOT A CHILD. HE BELONGED TO G-D, AND CLEAVED UNTO HIS WIFE, NOT HIS PARENTS WHO HE HONORED BY WALKING UPRIGHTLY AS A G-DLY MAN IN THE LORD'S EYES.
IS IT HIS WIFE'S DUTY TO DISHONOR HER HUSBAND'S WISHES STATED BEFORE HIS DEATH SINCE UPON HIS DEATH, HIS DUTY TO HIS PARENTS WAS COMPLETE???
YOU DO NOT SHAME HER, RABBI, FOR SHE DID THE RIGHT THING.
IT IS TO YOUR SHAME THAT YOU CHOSE TO DISRESPECT AND PROFANE THE MAN AND HIS FAMILY IN ONE BREATH, WHILE SAYING NOTHING ABOUT THE BRUTALITY OF HIS MURDERERS OR THE INAPPROPRIATE WAY HIS PARENTS DEMANDED HIS BODY DIRECTLY FROM THE LOVING ARMS OF HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN FOR THEIR OWN SELFISHNESS.
IF THERE IS PROFANITY IN THIS, IT IS NOT LIVNAT'S. IT IS YOURS FOR YOU PAY NO HEED TO THE LORD, RATHER YOU PAY HEED TO A POLITICAL VIEW WHICH G-D DOES NOT RECOGNIZE.
PROCRASTINATION IN GIVING THAT WHICH IS THE LORD'S UNTO THE LORD IS PROFANE!!!
HIS PARENTS, IN THEIR GRIEF MIGHT NOT HAVE REALIZED THEIR DISOBEDIENCE TO THE LAWS OF MOSES, BUT YOU DO.
THE UNHOLY LEFT AND ALL IT ALIGNS ITSELF WITH IS PROFANE!!!
NATI'S DEATH AND THE DEATH OF EVERY CHILD OF ISRAEL THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALLOWED ARAFAT AND HIS LIKE TO CONTINUE BUTCHERING IS PROFANE!!!
WHERE ARE YOUR HARSH WORDS FOR THE UNBELIEVERS OF ISRAEL, RABBI?
WHERE ARE YOUR HARSH WORDS FOR CORRUPT POLITICIANS WHO WOULD USE POLITICAL MOTIVES TO STOP MOURNERS FROM ATTENDING A MAN'S BURIAL?
WHO ARE YOU, RABBI, THAT YOU DO NOT LEAD YOUR PEOPLE FROM BONDAGE YET PROFESS TO CALL DOWN RETRIBUTION ON THOSE WHO WOULD DARE???
ARE YOU PHAROAH'S DAGAN, OH, CHIEF RABBI?

WELL, HE COULDN'T TURN MOSES AROUND THOUGH HE SURELY DID TRY.
I THINK YOUR OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME. DO NOT PERVERT THE WORD OF G-D BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT TURN MOSES AROUND EITHER.

LIV, WE STAND WITH YOU, SISTER, IN THE FACE OF AMALEK.

[tictoc]

Your vote for Shinui would bring about a secular country.

Theodor Herzl and the other founders of modern Israel designed the country to have a secular system of government. The anti-Israel crowd is always nattering that Israel is "a theocracy", which of course is false.

People are religious (or not), but a country cannot be. See Iran and Saudi Arabia for what happens when the government imposes a state religion.

What I see as the main point of the article above is this: "But just as important is the parties' ability to put an end to the division of society into a collection of hate-filled factions."

On second thought, I probably would not vote Shinui, as by all accounts this Lapid guy is a hectoring, insufferable loudmouth. Politicians like him are likely to deepen the divisions instead of bridging the differences.

[OldFriend]

Without adherence to judaism we get the likes of LIEberman.

[malakhi]

Great article, thanks for the ping.