Posted on 01/27/2003 3:10:30 PM PST by Ivan the Terrible
I suspect that most of the self hating Jews and their families come to the States before 1953.
Seems to me that he does say here, that life for Jews overall in the gulags was especially hard. (Or have my brain receptors failed me?) If he saw that things were different in those particular camps in which he was incarcerated, he did. Obviously by his earlier statement, he has no bone to pick, with Jews. Furthermore, by this statement and others he shows that generalizing is not his purpose.
Jesus was a Jew; so was Caiaphas. So were John the Baptist and Herod both, ethnically. David and Absalom? - Both of the tribe of Benjamin. Elijah was a descendent of Israel, so was Ahab. So what? So we're all human.
(Well, Jesus was also something more than that, but that's another matter. ;-` I'm just very glad myself, to be of "an engrafted branch.")
You wonder why? Guys, do you really think the English speaking world is more PC, in the context of banning books, than the French and German speaking world? So far as I know the reason Amazon doesn't carry it is it's not yet published in English. I've no way of knowing if the books antisemitic or not, if it is I know the languages I'd publish it in after Arabic though, and English would be third on my list.
I don't know when the versions you read came out, but good grief, it's only been around a year and a half or so in Russian. I'm sure Amazon will get to it.
I agree. The evil parties in old Russia were leftists, some who were formerly Jews. We have the same problem in modern America, where the evil parties are leftists (aka liberals), some who were formerly Jews.
At first blush, it looks to me like he may be making a distinction between how those Jews in this particular Lenin/Trotsky 'cult' were considered who were viewed as intellectuals, compared to how the hoi polloi Jews were considered.
An interesting thing to consider (by those with a pure heart for it) given stereotypes that exist elsewhere.
I've not seen the book, but from those who write of it favorably, I understand the distinction he draws is between Jews, and secular non-Jews.
One cannot be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semite, but anti-Zionism certainly cannot be equalled with anti-Semitism! Solzh belongs to that rare species of anti-Semites, who are also Zionists. He just wants all Jews to leave Mother Russia for Israel. His book is absolutely disgusting. I lost all respect for the bum
Oh yeah, the old Gulag scam.
/sarcasm.
My deepest sympathies.
Move along, nothing to see here folks.
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the Jewish German, Kurt Eisner, led a short lived communist revolution in Munich, Bavaria from November 1918 to February 1919 (at the same time that Adolf Hitler was an unknown soldier in that city);
the short lived Sparticus uprising in Berlin (September 1918 to January 1919) led by the Jewish German, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg; and
the short lived Communist tyranny in Hungary led by the Jewish Bela Kun, from March to August 1919."
There was a very disproportinate percentage of Jewish Bolshevik leaders during and after the Russian Revolution in 1917 and continued until Stalin's purges in the 1930s. The Cheka (later GPU, OGPU, NKVD, and finally KGB) had large numbers of Jewish officers until the 1930s and an estimated (by Ukranians) 80% of the forces overseeing the forced famine in Ukraine during the early 1930s were Jewish. These are facts well remembered by the Russian and Ukrainian people, who show a distinct tendancy to blame all Jews for the actions of a Jewish minority while forgetting their own history of pogroms.
" As it happens, for complex reasons, Jewish vulnerability - to geopolitical turmoil, to the whims of the ruling authorities, to the hostility of their neighbours - was nowhere greater in post- seventeenth century European history than in Ukraine. In 1648-49 the Jews suffered their worst calamity since the Crusades when the bands of Bohdan Khmelnytsky pitilessly slaughtered tens of thousands. In 1768 terrible massacres by bands of Ukrainian peasants, haidamaks, took place. Even in the relatively civilised conditions of pre-First World War Europe, liberal opinion was shocked by the frightful pogroms of Russian Ukraine, especially in 1881 after the assassination of Alexander II and in the period immediately before and during the revolution of 1905. The most terrible massacres of Jews between Khmelnytsky and Hitler occurred in Ukraine between 1918 and 1920. Historians estimate that during their course - which reached their peak in 1919, where some 685 separate outbreaks of major violence took place - between 50,000 and 100,000 were killed and that even larger numbers were mutilated or orphaned."
It's true that many Jews understandably saw themselves as perpetual underdogs after generations of pogroms, and gladly joined the new political movement falsely promising equality and leveling of old social and economic systems. But that didn't take place in a vacuum and the large majority of Jews had nothing to do with it. But the selective memories of the relative Jewish Bolshevik percentages have lingered for decades.
Europe, home of it's own pogroms, saw those 3 tumultuous short-lived communist revolutions and remembered only that they were all led by Jews. The uninvolved large majority of Jews became tarred with the same brush. It's history, it's over, and while it does NO good to dwell on it, to try pretend things never happened would be as bad as denying any other historical fact for PC's sake. But it's a part of a very long, very torturously woven tapestry.
OK, fine, don't take my word for it. Go to the library and check out copies of THE FIRST CIRCLE and THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO and read the parts in which he describes the resort-camp he got himself into by claiming his profession was "nuclear physicist."
I'll wait here. ...tapping foot...
May God punish those who did this. I just hope they were not secular jews.
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