State's Sodomy Law Puts Lesbian's Judgeship In Jeopardy

CNSNews.com ^ | January 22, 2003 | Michael L. Betsch

[steve-b]

When Robert McDonnell (R-Virginia Beach) himself was asked if he ever ran afoul of this law, his answer was, "Not that I recall".

Translation: He's not sure whether kissing lobbyists' asses counts.

[ASA Vet]

this pratice(sic) is still a fithy,(sic) unhealthy action!

If you don't like it, don't do it.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I definitely agree with Lambda on this issue.

[waterstraat]

It is not a question on whether we agree or disagree with the sodomy law.

Anyone who is breaking the law, should not be a judge. Any judge that breaks the law, should resign or be thrown out, and be punished. No one who is ever convicted or sentenced by this judge, or any judge who flagrantly and openly violates the law, should feel that justice was served.

I have nothing against lesbians - if she wants to be a lesbian, then "after" her prison sentence is served, she should leave Virginia, and move to a state where lesbian behavior is not against the law.

For example, if someone wants to carry a concealed weapon, and lives in a state that does not allow it, they should move to a state that does permit it.

If a judge violates state law and habitually steals, then she should not be a judge.

For any judge to openly violate state law, no matter what the law, is intolerable and totally unacceptable.

Do we want people like Ted Bundy or the Manson family to be judges on murder trials?

Do we want people like bill clinton to judge our morals?

Just how would this judge "rule" if someone was being prosecuted for the very same crime that she commits on a regular basis? Can she even be impartial?

[steve-b]

For example, if someone wants to carry a concealed weapon, and lives in a state that does not allow it, they should move to a state that does permit it.

Here is a classic example of why your argument is worthless -- when the "law" itself is illegal (as in this case), it is, if anything, the responsibility of a good citizen to ignore and undermine it.

[waterstraat]

How does he know what she does in her home?

A "no-knock raid" on her home at 2 in the morning, or a half hour after the lights go out, might provide some hard evidence.

Since judges have ruled that no-knock raids are "ok", and since no-knock raids are used against other citizens, I see no reason why a no-knock raid by a swat team should not be used on judges homes, and on her home in particular.

There is as much "cause" to think that this judge is violating the sodomy law as there is for others who have been similarly raided for drugs, guns, etc.

[waterstraat]

For example, if someone wants to carry a concealed weapon, and lives in a state that does not allow it, they should move to a state that does permit it. Here is a classic example of why your argument is worthless -- when the "law" itself is illegal (as in this case), it is, if anything, the responsibility of a good citizen to ignore and undermine it.

You have a point if a law is unconstitutional(guns, drugs, income tax), but that does not change the fact that breaking these laws is still illegal and will result in real jail time for non-judges who break "illegal" laws. A judge should be treated no differently than anyone else.

The responsiblity of a good citizen is not to ignore it, undermine it, and be put in prison, but rather, to change the law.

[John H K]

I have nothing against lesbians - if she wants to be a lesbian, then "after" her prison sentence is served, she should leave Virginia, and move to a state where lesbian behavior is not against the law.

The law outlaws oral sex; care to speculate what % of heterorsexual Virginia judges have ever received or given oral sex? I suspect it's about 98%.

[APBaer]

"The responsiblity of a good citizen is ... to change the law."


But wouldn't such legislation require a legislator who could remember whether he "ever" got a blow job?

[John H K]

For any judge to openly violate state law, no matter what the law, is intolerable and totally unacceptable.

Being a lesbian doesn't mean it's any more likely that she's violating the law than a heterosexual judge, given what we know of the prevalence of oral sex among heterosexuals. And it IS possible to have lesbian sex without having oral sex, believe it or not.

And how "openly" is this law being violated? She's having oral sex in public?

Of course, this being FR, I'm sure there's a little sheltered group of FReepers out there that actually consider oral sex to be this weird obscure sexual practice that only weirdo foreigners and faggots and dykes practice.....

[waterstraat]

The law outlaws oral sex; care to speculate what % of heterorsexual Virginia judges have ever received or given oral sex? I suspect it's about 98%.

Then they too should be raided, and put in prison!

I dont like laws which are kept on the books and selectively enforced only against a few, while letting judges and politicians and those who can afford the best attorneys to go free. I dont like enforcement of laws only against those that cannot adequately defend themselves.

If the people of Virginia some day in the future decide to allow this behavior, then they can repeal the law. Until they repeal the law, it is still the state law, a judge takes an oath to uphold it.

[Bella_Bru]

The law may be horrible, but the law has to be followed.

Go do a survey and find out how many couples actually follow that law. Most men would look at you like you were a freak. Some might even take a swing at you for insinuating that they and their wives are criminals for having some oral fun.

[waterstraat]

For any judge to openly violate state law, no matter what the law, is intolerable and totally unacceptable. Being a lesbian doesn't mean it's any more likely that she's violating the law than a heterosexual judge

Then Just ask her!

Have the police bring her in for questioning. I would think that any honorable and honest judge would not avoid a lie detector, nor even ask that an attorney be present for such a simple question. If she admits it, then no time is wasted, and the issue is simply and quickly resolved.

[Bella_Bru]

"It's no wonder I'm so mean-spirited."

ROFLMAO!

[waterstraat]

Some might even take a swing at you for insinuating that they and their wives are criminals for having some oral fun.

If they live in Virginia, they ARE criminals.

A "criminal" is a person who commits crime, who violates the criminal law, whether they are caught, prosecuted, or convicted. If you did it, you are a criminal.

Dont get me wrong. I dont believe or agree with laws like this, but I dont believe in selective enforcement of many laws like this even more so.

[Fuzz]

http://www.stupidlaws.com/technology/ten_woman_driver.html

"There is a law on the books of TENNESSEE that says a man must run in front of a vehicle that a woman is driving, and, that the car may not go faster than five miles an hour!"

Looks like the prosecutors in Tennessee have a lot of work to do.

[waterstraat]

Therein lies the problem: people are not prosecuted for this "crime", nor have any of the other judges in VA been asked whether they've committed this "crime".

Are you saying that no one has ever been prosecuted? I find that hard to believe.

Anyways, so ask all the judges, even better if we can also get them for perjury too. While you are at it, periodically random drug test all the judges in Virginia.