Samantha Smith predicted it - now it's official: 'In Gaia We Trust'

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/gaia.htm ^ | January 17, 2003 | Thomas Horn

[CCWoody]

The reason why there is such derision associated with this issue is because some people fail to obey Scripture. We are told, more or less, not to do it in public, but to confine it to our own personal use in private unless there is somebody there to interpret what is being said - otherwise people will look at us and think we're nuts. ~ JudyB1938

Whether or not there is derision accociated with the gifts of the Holy Spirit is beside the topic of discussion. I am merely exposing a denomic deception which exists primarily in the Pentecostal churches. And what you have said that I quoted above is an excellent example of a denomic lie about the use of the gifts of tongues.

The gift of tongues is no more for "personal use" than is the gift of prophecy or the gift of healing. The gift of tongues is exclusively for public use. And if there is no one to interpret or you are not preaching the wonders of the kingdom of God in an earthly tongue to another man then you are to remain silent.

So, you see, you have an unBiblical belief that is almost exactly opposite what the Bible actually teaches concerning the gift of tongues. I know that you "are not a Biblical scholar," but you really ought to do exactly as I did. Quit listening to the doctrine from the pulput or what your friends are telling you and actually pick up your Bible and figure out exactly what it teaches. You will find the manna from heaven far more satisfying that the wormwood of man.

It really upset me that I gave you the impression that I am smug. Why? Because I can't stand people like that either! They are hypocrites who WILL answer to God for the ones they kept from the Salvation our Lord Jesus Christ died on the Cross for. ~ JudyB1938

Actually, your belief that you somehow have the power to keep somebody from Salvation is representative of the smug prideful attitude that I do encounter among the Pentecostal (and Arminian churches in general) churches.

Are you actually going to tell me that you can thwart the expressed will of God in the salvation of any man? It is to essentially say to God:


1. The Father purposed the salvation of "Fred" but I am denying you your purpose.
2. The Son was murdered by hanging from a tree to save "Fred" but I am defrauding you of your reward and joy.
3. The Holy Spirit is working to redeem "Fred" to the Son but I am defeating you in your work.


And that is a pretty arrogant thing to believe. It is much more liberating to echo these words of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Bablyon (Dan 4:35):


All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand or say to Him, "What have you done?"

Woody.

The LORD of hosts has sworn, saying, "Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass, And as I have purposed, so it shall stand:..." ~ Isaiah 14:24

[biblewonk]

When I was Catholic I saw alot of that stuff in womans groups..and in a prison ministry..I ~think~ like eve , women are most easily deceived

They very definitely are and that just happened to be a topic we discussed Sunday.

[B-Chan]

I am not saying that Mary wasn't "special" -- she was.

Indeed; she was chosen by God to serve as the mother of His Son, and thus became the Mother of God, mother of the Church, and mother of all mankind.

And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.

For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.

He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away.

He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever. [Luke 1:46-55]"

But she indeed was THE vessel (however clinical the word) of which the Son of Man was born, and no she wasn't "perfect" or sinless -- even at that time.

How do you know that?

Moreover, every "special" person chosen by the Holy Spirit was a mere human -- subject to sinful nature of man, thus needing the blood of Christ to cleanse them including such luminaries as: Mary, Paul, Peter, and every Apostle and Saint you can think of...

Our Lady was saved by her Son, but in a special way -- from the moment of her own Immaculate Conception.

The dogma [of the Immacularte Conception of Mary] is especially fitting when one examines the honor that was given to the ark of the covenant. It contained the manna (bread from heaven), stone tablets of the ten commandments (the word of God), and the staff of Aaron (a symbol of Israel’s high priesthood). Because of its contents, it was made of incorruptible wood, and Psalm 132:8 said, "Arise, O Lord, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might." If this vessel was given such honor, how much more should Mary be kept from corruption, since she is the new ark—who carried the real bread from Heaven, the Word of God, and the high priest of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. Some argue that the new ark is not Mary, but the body of Jesus. Even if this were the case, it is worth noting that 1 Chronicles 15:14 records that the persons who bore the ark were to be sanctified. There would be no sense in sanctifying men who carried a box, and not sanctifying the womb who carried God himself! After all, wisdom will not dwell "in a body under debt of sin" (Wis. 1:4 NAB). [source]

"..To deny the Creed is to deny the Christian Faith."
"Christian Faith" OR Catholic Church?

The Creed defines the Faith. Reject the Creed, reject the Faith.

[RnMomof7]

So Mary existed before God the father?

Mary IS the physical mother of God..no denial on that..BUT she was a vessel..nothing more..she is not god or a god.

.My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." [John 10:27-30]

Ready to discuss election and eternal security?

Or do you prefer to cherry pick your scriptures:>)

[B-Chan]

So Mary existed before God the father?

I never said that.

Mary IS the physical mother of God..no denial on that.

Then we have nothing more to discuss. We agree that Mary is the Mother of God. Thank you for your willingness to recognize the truth.

Yours in Christian fraternity,

B-chan

[RnMomof7]

Didn't want to talk about election huh? *grin* have a good day

[RnMomof7]

Just one more thing

People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18-20).

To compare kneeling before a man designed and man built statue is silly

The Ark was designed by God as a type ..he drew the plans and filled the artisan with the Holy Spirit to build it...NO ONE was allowed into the Holy of Holies but the High Priest..so there was no general worship of the angels on the ark..they were a type of the heavenly throne ..that seat on the ark was God dwelling place with the jews..

It has nothing in common with kneeling before earthlly idols

[Brookhaven]

It's just as problematic, in light of Genesis 1:27, to limit God to a MALE gender:

It is "problematic" to attribute any gender to God. Since God is spirit (and not flesh and blood) you can't really say God has a gender (it's like asking what gener the wind is.)

Since you quoted the Bible, it should be noted that God is always referred to using a male personal pronoun (He, Him, His, etc...) in the Bible. Since God is the ultimate author of the Bible, if he has chosen to refer to himself using male pronouns, then that is the way he should be referred to.

[Corin Stormhands]

It was nice to "chat" with you Woody. But please don't keep pinging me here.

Thanks.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds." Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace (quoted in Access to Energy, vol. 10, no. 4, Dec. 1982) Back in the late 60's there was a woman (in her early 60's) in our church who was all ga-ga about preservation/conservation/animals. She wanted everyone to call her Aunt Frannie. She "loved" birds and squirrels, etc., etc.. She told us that she saw some elementary school age boy shooting a BB gun at her precious birds so she hired a high school boy to beat him up. She was as big a nut case as any other of these man-is-evil environmentalists. If man is a problem, then perhaps they can do their part to save the planet by committing mass suicide. I think that would be quite a good message to send to the rest of humanity and give us something to ponder deeply about.

"...Man's power over nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument."

C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Must have snakes... ~ CS

... and trampolines

Trampolines = tamborines?? if not, Pentalcostalism has really gotten far too bouncy for me!

[F16Fighter]

F16 Fighter: "But she indeed was THE vessel (however clinical the word) of which the Son of Man was born, and no she wasn't "perfect" or sinless -- even at that time."

"How do you know that?"

As a reference, shall we use the Word of God itself?:

The Bible clearly says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

Mary acknowledged that she needed a "Savior" (Luke 1:47) like any other sinner.

Furthermore, IF Mary did not sin, and death (as the Bible says) comes by sin, then logically Mary would never have died.

Either Mary was a member of a sinful human race which needs redemption, OR is/was a Goddess -- Which is it?

"The Creed defines the Faith. Reject the Creed, reject the Faith."

The "Creed" defines the faith for those who believe IT to supercede the authority of the Holy Scriptures. I'll take my chances with the actual Word of God.

[F16Fighter]

"It [the Ark] has nothing in common with kneeling before earthlly idols."

Amen...

Thanks to Constantine hijacking the early Christian Church, the Catholic Church sadly began implimenting its many Pagan rites and rituals, charms and intercessory images that have since helped "communicate" with an apparently half-deaf and ignorant God of Abraham.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Thanks to Constantine hijacking the early Christian Church, the Catholic Church sadly began implimenting its many Pagan rites and rituals, charms and intercessory images that have since helped "communicate" with an apparently half-deaf and ignorant God of Abraham.

Let us not be too harsh. Those early church leaders were actually quite concerned that a zealous "layman" would excercise such power over a domain that was not his. The Christian cultural concept of "separation of Church and State" can be traced to this concern.

[RnMomof7]

I have heard that excuse given before for kneeling before statues I was going to let it pass ,but thought it should be addressed in some way..

[Zionist Conspirator]

"Western Culture [is perceived as] the root of all evil," Smith observed. "These are some of the teachings of what is little more than the bastardized products of Eastern mysticism. Now called New Age religion, it culminates in deep ecology, eco-feminism and the worship of an ancient Greek God called Gaia - Mother Earth.

Western civilization=bad, ancient Greek "gxddess"=good. Anyone else see a problem in consistency?

But at least a world without humans would be a world without humanists. And btw, where are the worshippers of Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin while all this is going on?

[Zionist Conspirator]

"The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state." Kenneth Boulding, originator of the "Spaceship Earth" concept (quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

But of course it takes human beings to have a state, doesn't it? Or is human extinction when the state finally "withers away?"

And in the spirit of my last post, where are all those classical Marxists to whom all this crap is alien? Where are the "toiling masses" as the center of "history?" Where is "scientific socialism?"

[jude24]

where are the worshippers of Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin while all this is going on?

Wow... I didn't know there was a religion that worshipped scientists. As a chemist, this intrigues me. Maybe I should consider switching.... /sarcasm

Your rhetoric obscures any point you may have been trying to make.

[Campion]

The Bible clearly says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

Have babies sinned? No? Well, then Paul was speaking hyperbolically, making a generalization. Did Jesus sin? No? Well, then Paul was speaking hyperbolically, making a generalization.

Generalizations admit of exceptions.

Mary acknowledged that she needed a "Savior" (Luke 1:47) like any other sinner.

Let's not put words in her mouth. She said God was her Savior. We agree on that; she was sinless because of a work of grace done by God, through the merits of her Son. Scripture doesn't say anything about "like any other sinner"; you put that in.

Furthermore, IF Mary did not sin, and death (as the Bible says) comes by sin, then logically Mary would never have died.

By that logic, Jesus shouldn't have died either. Death came to the human race through the sin of its federal head, Adam. That's what that verse means.

What's the problem with the idea that God made the mother of Christ sinless? God made Eve sinless, too. Eve, not God, made Eve a sinner. Why do you think it would be any harder for him to make Mary sinless?

[fortheDeclaration]

Change a word here and there and you have Pentecostalism. Nope. No snakes. Must have snakes...

LOL!