Posted on 01/14/2003 2:26:38 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
"We need to seriously curtail the welfare entitlement programs, for everyone too, not just illegal immigrants. We need to limit State assistance to anyone believed to be here illegally to:"
You responded to that by saying:
"What a bunch of crap!""You're equating the rights of American citizens to the non-rights of illegal aliens."
Which indicates that you are a graduate of the Edward Kennedy school of conservatism, you believe that welfare entitlements are a right.
At least that's what you said.
You have got one seriously inflated ego.
Illegal aliens immigrants are not entitled to welfare or anything. This you imply by saying that we should limit and curtail welfare assistance. The only thing the aliens are entitled to is to get back to where they came from, and stay out of my country.
Good Catch. Every now and then Luis slips up and his true agenda comes pouring out. Anyone that has followed his race baiting tirades on the immigration threads knows that Luis (like PRND21) is an advocate of our government sponsored open borders immigration free for all.
Luis just likes to pretend that he is in favor of certain immigration reforms to gain a modicum of credibility on the issue. But like so many of his positions on other political issues it's all a ruse. Luis has a lust for fame on FR and is of the mistaken belief that he can, like Clinton, take all sides of an issue and still be credible.
Well, of course you know that on FR, reactions are like cockroaches. For every one you see there are ten in the wall. So I know I've pissed off at least eleven; you plus ten in the wall.
I've always heard that those who react to "ego" or "arrogance" have that have a problem with those characteristics themselves. I think it's called "projection".
Have you heard that before? 
Militarizing our borders isn't what I'd prefer ---but it may not even be an option for long as Mexico declines in it's downward spiral. We all had better start paying attention to what is going on in that country because it seems to be getting radical fast.
State, federal police melee shocks Juárez
More than 80 men assaulting one another in a crowded airport. Men taunting one another with automatic weapons, holding one another in headlocks, pressing their leather boots onto the heads of those who had fallen to the ground.
The scene, which took place in Juárez last week, was brutal in itself.
But it was all the more upsetting to Juarenses because the men were all police officers, some working for the federal government, some for the state government.
What started as an apparent dispute over overlapping turfs blew up into a political controversy between the Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, and the National Action Party, or PAN, experts said.
Municipal officials fear the incident has damaged the city's image and worry about business investors pulling out. They said they want to distance themselves from the conflict.
http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030116-65217.shtml
I hate to agree with you but I'd have to agree. I don't think deporting 100% of illegals should be the goal. For one it can't be done without trampling all over citizen's rights. For another it's not necessary ---if an illegal hasn't stolen someone's Social Security number, isn't committing other crimes, is driving with insurance, paying their own way completely, not loitering, not shoplifting, etc then why bother?
I'd rather see reforms made on immigration so that "legal" immigrants can't come using family reunification but then end up on SSI and Medicaid immediately. I'd rather see the freeloaders out than go after some guy working hard for cash but isn't hurting anyone or taking any of my money in any way or demanding anything. Also the laws should be changed that allow less worthy immigrants in legally but who become our dependants and allow only in those who will work ----even if they don't have "family ties".
She hates President Bush. Her concert here, she had a little puppet act with Bush in it, she might be sexier but she's no better than Jane Fonda.
Upon completing her medical training, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.
It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.
Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those babies who were, per the Constitution, IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land -- could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.
Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don't cover went back to the taxpayers. And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.
And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, she’s is today a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad. And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.
Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1968, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.
Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1968 for a guy just out of the USAF.
As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. It cannot be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has -- NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.
Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.
It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.
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