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Ditka: Smoke won't hurt you
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 10, 2003 | FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 01/10/2003 7:41:00 PM PST by Max McGarrity

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To: Dimensio
As I said earlier, Ditka has his years of experience, as we all do, on which to base his opinions. Maybe he knows the truth instinctively...

Or maybe he has seen the studies. The hundreds of studies and millions of dollars spent have failed to prove the harm allegedly caused by environmental tobacco smoke. Only the press releases published by those who gain to benefit financially say otherwise.

"In general, there was no elevated lung cancer risk associated with passive smoke exposure in the workplace. ..." Brownson et. al., 1992 "Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer in Nonsmoking Women" American Journal of Public Health, November 1992, Vol. 82, No. 11

"... an odds ratio of 0.91 ... indicating no evidence of an adverse effect of environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace." Janerich et al., 1990 "Lung Cancer and Exposure to Tobacco Smoke in the Household" New England Journal of Medicine, Sept. 6, 1990

"... the association with exposure to passive smoking at work was small and not statistically significant." Kalandidi et al., 1990 "Passive Smoking and Diet in the Etiology of Lung Cancer Among Non- Smokers" Cancer Causes and Control, 1, 15-21, 1990

"Among women exposed only at work, the multivariate relative risks of total CHD were 1.49 ... among those occasionally exposed and 1.92 ... among those regularly exposed to secondhand smoke, neither of which is statistically significant according to commonly accepted scientific standards." Kawachi et al., 1997 "A Prospective Study of Passive Smoking and Coronary Heart Disease" Circulation, Vol. 95, No. 10, May 20, 1997

"No association was observed between the risk of lung cancer and smoking of husband or passive smoke exposure at work." Shimizu et al., 1988 "A Case-Control Study of Lung Cancer in Nonsmoking Women" Tohoku J. Exp. Med., 154:389-397, 1988

"We did not generally find an increase in CHD [coronary heart disease] risk associated with ETS exposure at work or in other settings." Steenland et al., 1996 "Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Coronary Heart Disease in the American Cancer Society CPS-II Cohort" Circulation, Vol. 94, No. 4, August 15, 1996

"... no statistically significant increase in risk associated with exposure to environmental tobacco smoke at work or during social activities...." Stockwell et al., 1992 "Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer Risk in Nonsmoking Women" Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 84:1417-1422, 1992

"There was no association between exposure to ETS at the workplace and risk of lung cancer." Zaridze et al., 1998 "Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Risk of Lung Cancer in Non- Smoking Women from Moscow, Russia" International Journal of Cancer, 1998, 75, 335-338

"There were no significant differences in air quality between the tobacco-smoke components in the air of the pub and those of similar non-smoking establishments."--Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, May 11, 2001

The peer-reviewed study, conducted by the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory found "the level of exposure to secondhand smoke for bartenders, waiters and waitresses in smoking-permitted establishments is considerably lower than the federal air quality limits established by the federal government."--Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology, February 2000

"Passive smokers inhale the equivalent of just six cigarettes a year from other people's smoke, according to the largest ever study of actual exposure levels of non-smokers." --Electronic Telegraph, August 16, 1998

Or maybe it's just common sense since smokers, who ingest both direct smoke and shs, generally smoke for decades before any damage can be assessed, if then, and environmental tobacco smoke is diluted by ambient air 100,000 times, making even measurement of toxins difficult. ("ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted than mainstream smoke, is less humid, and has very few volatile compounds. Since ETS is even more diluted than sidestream smoke, fewer than 20 ETS chemicals have been determined directly. Experts assume that the remaining substances in ETS are similar to those in sidestream smoke."--The Oncology Channel, Risk Factors. (Major "assumption" since the levels are too small to be measured.)

"Even from the scientific literature it is difficult to conclude whether the increased risk of lung cancer due to exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), as reported in many epidemiological studies, is based on sound data from reliable studies, or rather on passionate assertions derived from unsound investigations. The average intake of toxic and genotoxic compounds due to ETS exposure is so low that it is difficult, if not impossible, to explain the increased risk of lung cancer as found in epidemiological studies. The uncertainty is further increased because the validity of epidemiological studies on passive smoking is limited severely by numerous bias and confounding factors which cannot be controlled for reliability. The question of whether or not ETS exposure is high enough to induce and/or promote the carcinogenic effects observed in epidemiological studies thus remains open, and the assumption of an increased risk of lung cancer due to ETS exposure is, at present, more a matter of opinion than of firm scientific evidence."--International Archives of Occupational and Environmental Health, Volume 74 Issue 4 (2001) pp 231-241

201 posted on 01/15/2003 11:29:34 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Dimensio
As I said earlier, Ditka has his years of experience, as we all do, on which to base his opinions. Maybe he knows the truth instinctively...

Or maybe he has seen the studies. The hundreds of studies and millions of dollars spent have failed to prove the harm allegedly caused by environmental tobacco smoke. Only the press releases published by those who gain to benefit financially say otherwise.

"In general, there was no elevated lung cancer risk associated with passive smoke exposure in the workplace. ..." Brownson et. al., 1992 "Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer in Nonsmoking Women" American Journal of Public Health, November 1992, Vol. 82, No. 11

"... an odds ratio of 0.91 ... indicating no evidence of an adverse effect of environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace." Janerich et al., 1990 "Lung Cancer and Exposure to Tobacco Smoke in the Household" New England Journal of Medicine, Sept. 6, 1990

"... the association with exposure to passive smoking at work was small and not statistically significant." Kalandidi et al., 1990 "Passive Smoking and Diet in the Etiology of Lung Cancer Among Non- Smokers" Cancer Causes and Control, 1, 15-21, 1990

"Among women exposed only at work, the multivariate relative risks of total CHD were 1.49 ... among those occasionally exposed and 1.92 ... among those regularly exposed to secondhand smoke, neither of which is statistically significant according to commonly accepted scientific standards." Kawachi et al., 1997 "A Prospective Study of Passive Smoking and Coronary Heart Disease" Circulation, Vol. 95, No. 10, May 20, 1997

"No association was observed between the risk of lung cancer and smoking of husband or passive smoke exposure at work." Shimizu et al., 1988 "A Case-Control Study of Lung Cancer in Nonsmoking Women" Tohoku J. Exp. Med., 154:389-397, 1988

"We did not generally find an increase in CHD [coronary heart disease] risk associated with ETS exposure at work or in other settings." Steenland et al., 1996 "Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Coronary Heart Disease in the American Cancer Society CPS-II Cohort" Circulation, Vol. 94, No. 4, August 15, 1996

"... no statistically significant increase in risk associated with exposure to environmental tobacco smoke at work or during social activities...." Stockwell et al., 1992 "Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer Risk in Nonsmoking Women" Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 84:1417-1422, 1992

"There was no association between exposure to ETS at the workplace and risk of lung cancer." Zaridze et al., 1998 "Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Risk of Lung Cancer in Non- Smoking Women from Moscow, Russia" International Journal of Cancer, 1998, 75, 335-338

"There were no significant differences in air quality between the tobacco-smoke components in the air of the pub and those of similar non-smoking establishments."--Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, May 11, 2001

The peer-reviewed study, conducted by the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory found "the level of exposure to secondhand smoke for bartenders, waiters and waitresses in smoking-permitted establishments is considerably lower than the federal air quality limits established by the federal government."--Journal of Exposure Analysis and Environmental Epidemiology, February 2000

"Passive smokers inhale the equivalent of just six cigarettes a year from other people's smoke, according to the largest ever study of actual exposure levels of non-smokers." --Electronic Telegraph, August 16, 1998

Or maybe it's just common sense since smokers, who ingest both direct smoke and shs, generally smoke for decades before any damage can be assessed, if then, and environmental tobacco smoke is diluted by ambient air 100,000 times, making even measurement of toxins difficult. ("ETS is over 100,000 times more diluted than mainstream smoke, is less humid, and has very few volatile compounds. Since ETS is even more diluted than sidestream smoke, fewer than 20 ETS chemicals have been determined directly. Experts assume that the remaining substances in ETS are similar to those in sidestream smoke."--The Oncology Channel, Risk Factors. (Major "assumption" since the levels are too small to be measured.)

"Even from the scientific literature it is difficult to conclude whether the increased risk of lung cancer due to exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), as reported in many epidemiological studies, is based on sound data from reliable studies, or rather on passionate assertions derived from unsound investigations. The average intake of toxic and genotoxic compounds due to ETS exposure is so low that it is difficult, if not impossible, to explain the increased risk of lung cancer as found in epidemiological studies. The uncertainty is further increased because the validity of epidemiological studies on passive smoking is limited severely by numerous bias and confounding factors which cannot be controlled for reliability. The question of whether or not ETS exposure is high enough to induce and/or promote the carcinogenic effects observed in epidemiological studies thus remains open, and the assumption of an increased risk of lung cancer due to ETS exposure is, at present, more a matter of opinion than of firm scientific evidence."--International Archives of Occupational and Environmental Health, Volume 74 Issue 4 (2001) pp 231-241

202 posted on 01/15/2003 11:31:13 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Tax-chick
My cousin died from lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke. Her smoker husband is still alive in his 60's. I was sick every winter when my mother smoked. I haven't had bronchitis since I left home. There's more to the smoking/health equation than one person's anecdotal evidence.

I hope that includes YOUR anecdotal opinion, as well.

203 posted on 01/15/2003 11:38:37 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Tax-chick
FYI, you might be interested in recent research that doesn't fit neatly into the "tobacco is the root of all evil" claims we are bombarded with daily.

"A growing number of researchers are puzzled by increases in the number of cases of lung cancer among non-smokers. "Almost half the patients I've seen in the two months I've been here have been non-smokers. So I think there is something specific to this environment here," Dr. Wallace Akerley, pulmonary cancer specialist, said."

Lung Cancer Among Non-Smokers

BTW, I don't consider you an "anti-smoker," just a nonsmoker who has been deceived by a very rich, very slick, very deceptive bunch of thugs. And I thank you for understanding and appreciating private property and the free market.

204 posted on 01/15/2003 11:40:15 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Tax-chick
Admittedly, this doesn't help 10-year-olds with bronchitis every winter.

If second-hand smoke causes bronchitis, then why have the rates of bronchitis remained relatively constant over the last thirty years, while the smoking population has more than halved? What do you have to say about the 10-year-old with bronchitis whos parents do not smoke?

205 posted on 01/15/2003 11:47:05 AM PST by bimbo
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To: bimbo
Your the first person I've ever run into in all my 62 years that actually knew someone who died of second hand smoke. Thought someday I would hear of one. Of course I don't know if your telling the truth or making it up so I won't actually change my mind that second hand smoke hurts absolutely noone.
206 posted on 01/15/2003 11:51:09 AM PST by mikemurphy111
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To: Tacis
I would love to see you say that to me. Speaking of Fascist, you are the very definition of a Anti-Smoke Nazi.
207 posted on 01/15/2003 11:51:32 AM PST by ohioman
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Aliquippa, Pa is no longer sooty....all mills have shut down.

I have relatives in Aliquippa ... IMO, it was a better place when the steel mills were belching smoke while providing good jobs ... and people had a lot more freedom than they have today.

208 posted on 01/15/2003 12:12:05 PM PST by bimbo
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To: Max McGarrity
BTW, I don't consider you an "anti-smoker," just a nonsmoker who has been deceived by a very rich, very slick, very deceptive bunch of thugs. And I thank you for understanding and appreciating private property and the free market.

Thanks, Max. I've learned some things and will likely approach issues like this differently in the future.

Certainly, since I've already explained my earlier statements, and admitted they were based simply on emotion ... and my husband is complaining that I'm FReeping too much! ... I hope I won't be violating FR policy if I just cut loose from this discussion!

Thanks again for your patience with a chick who jumps to conclusions without looking!

209 posted on 01/15/2003 3:41:21 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Max McGarrity
DITKA ON O'REILLY coming up.
210 posted on 01/15/2003 5:25:44 PM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: bimbo
My Mom still lives there and I visit at least once a week. My late father would tell me not to complain about the smell and smoke, which was worse downtown and across the river in Baden. Said if it wasn't smoky there wouldn't be any jobs. How true......and sad.
211 posted on 01/15/2003 8:19:03 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (My hubby wants me to change my screenname, but I still despise Halfbright!)
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To: mikemurphy111
Your the first person I've ever run into in all my 62 years that actually knew someone who died of second hand smoke.

You have me confused with "TAX-CHICK" I've never known anyone who died of second-hand smoke either.

212 posted on 01/16/2003 3:44:28 PM PST by bimbo
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Said if it wasn't smoky there wouldn't be any jobs. How true......and sad.

I agree ... true and sad.

213 posted on 01/16/2003 3:46:26 PM PST by bimbo
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To: Max McGarrity

guess who might be Illinois' new Senator!

Go Ditka!


214 posted on 07/13/2004 2:46:50 PM PDT by votelife (Calling abortion a women's issue is like calling war a men's issue!)
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