As family shrieks, police kill dog (probably due to a lack of fresh donuts)

CNN ^

[Search4Truth]

"The libertarian lynch mob mentality is illegal and unconstitutional. An investigation and due process (something which even the dreaded police are entitled to) is the normal procedure in these matters as it should be. "

"libertarian lynch mob" LOL.

You obviously have issues with Libertarians which you wish to vent. Taking up any cause in effort to do so is apparently not beneath you, even if it means defending a trigger happy cop. Do you have any shame?

[TaZ]

"I like how you assume they will do nothing before they even have a chance to."

"Its great to see libertarians, the self-proclaimed guardians of the constitution, all so eager to throw out due process just to satsify their anticop lynch mob mentality."

Funny how all you neo-con RINOS automatically assume that if a Conservative has different opinions than you, they must be one of those, UH OH, dreaded "libertarians"...LOL!

Well bud, I ain't no libertarian and spent most of my life holding my nose and voting for GOP candidates.

Hell, I was even a GOP volunteer/organizer until I learned first hand how absolutely moraly destitute the GOP actually is.

Well, back to the core of your rotten apple...if you had bothered to read the damage control that the LEOs operating in this fiasco have stated thus far, you would have noticed that they have proclaimed this JBT innocent!

So much for your "due process"...Come back when you get a clue :0)~

[TaZ]

I said; "So I see, so the armed citizen is unable to protect himself against criminals then...very interesting."

Your response; "When did I say that?"

This is the statement that YOU made that I was responding to; "For I am quite sure all these who say we should do away with cops that can supposedly protect themselves and their families in a nation where laws could not be enforced."

I guess you're so intellectually dishonest, you don't even understand the trash you are spewing.

"And then let me guess once America became free the founders abolished all police? I don't think so."

You bore me...you think that they had police at the founding of this country?

Until the mid-1800s Sheriffs were the law of the land...that's right, locally elected Sheriffs who deputized local militias when needed to "keep the peace".

In the 1830s, Philadelphia organized an independent, 24 hour a day, police force. In the 1840s, New York City had instituted its municipal police department. During this period, police departments were headed by police chiefs, appointed and accountable to political bosses. Corruption was rampant.

Go back and study the REAL history of America, and when you get a clue come back for an interesting discussion.

[republicman]

If you had a brain you'd realize that without any police the US would become like Somalia, a place where roving warlords rule mafia style. You think your pea shooter will stop them from controlling you and your family. What a joke.

And if you're concerned about the founders, who was it who said "we are a nation of laws and not of men?" and think for a minute (I realize this is a lot to ask from you) of how we could possibly enforce such laws without the force to do so.

The answer to what to do about corrupt policemen is to fire the individuals who do wrong, punish them. But get rid of all police? only a retard would spew such nonsense.

[Renatus]

It was just a dog. The family can get another one.

[republicman]

Taking up any cause in effort to do so is apparently not beneath you, even if it means defending a trigger happy cop. Do you have any shame?

I never once defended this cop. See post 60 I said he should be fired and brought up on charges. Save your strawman lies for someone else.

[republicman]

I think they should face criminal prosecution for cruelty to animals and civil prosecution for the emotional distress caused to the family.

I agree.

I don't see how that would be anarchy.

Of course it wouldn't.

But What WOULD be anarachy, is what some here have suggested, that we should do away with all police altogether. That all cops are corrupt. That cop misconduct is on the rise (a pharse right out of Al Sharpton's mouth) but put no proof out to support such a statement.

Let's face it when pseudo cons, libertarians, whatever sound like Al Sharpton then they should be treated like him.

[republicman]

I don't like bad cops either and have said so repeatedly.

The fact that you and Taz seem to have to keep lying about what my actual argument is, only highlights how incapable you are of addressing it.

[Search4Truth]

My mistake. You're part of the lynch mob. :)

[Wallace T.]

Some thoughts about this whole incident (and others like it):

This may have been an example of police misconduct, or it may not have been. Neither libertarians nor law and order advocates should come to a conclusion until the facts are presented.

Additionally, law enforcement officers are not born on another planet, but come from the rank and file of the citizenry. Their behavior is reflective of the overall society and culture. When moral values are not observed or regarded as relative, discipline at home and school is lacking, education is replaced by liberal indoctrination, and decency is flouted, as is too often the case in modern America, the young people that are products of this system will likely be advocates of situation ethics and attracted to both a "might makes right" outlook and an attitude that "it's OK to lie if it furthers your cause." If police are both more cowardly in the face of violence and more brutal toward civilians than their counterparts of, say, 30 years ago, it is because of their prevailing culture and its influence on police officers.

That being said, there is another, potentially dangerous side effect of the increased alienation on the part of the conservative or libertarian "remnant" in the white American middle and working classes toward all government, Federal, state and local. The conservatives of the 1950s through the 1970s may have disliked the welfare and social services side of government, but strongly supported the law enforcement and national defense side. Look at the "Support Your Local Police" campaigns of that era, and how Spiro Agnew, a former Rockefeller Republican, assumed conservative coloring merely by denouncing anti-government hippies and antiwar protestors. Today, homeschoolers, fundamentalist Christians, small businessmen, farmers, and others deemed politically incorrect perceive themselves as being subject to a 21st Century version of COINTELPRO and would not respond favorably to a Spiro Agnew or a George Wallace calling for tougher police measures.

The United States is not a separate universe. This country's interests are immediately threatened by Muslim extremists and their allies in Middle Eastern capitals, as well as by a poorly controlled flow of illegal aliens, mostly from Latin America. Furthermore, China looms as a rival superpower, North Korea is exteremly dangeroous. Two major Latin American nations, Venesuela and Brazil, are under Marxist rule. The white middle and working classes have been the foundation of American society and the chief pool for the nation's armed forces since the founding of the Republic. If those classes, especially the conservative/libertarian remnant, are so anti-government that they will not support law enforcement internally and the armed forces externally, the long term future of our nation is in jeopardy.

[kaylar]

Go here to another story about this incident. At the very bottom of the page, you will see a link to a discussion about the shooting. Giving that the site is a local TN news source, this should be mostly 'locals' talking, who know what cops in the area are like-maybe even this particular cop.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

Your argument seems to be that the police will take care of us and are for the most part fine people. My argument is they will not protect me (though they will clean up after the fact)and that I must protect myself.

I also contend, from YEARS of first hand knowledge, that they are, for the most part, not the kind of people you would want to pal around with.

[artisan001]

What WOULD be anarachy, is what some here have suggested, that we should do away with all police altogether

That's one of the reasons for my reply to you.
I don't think that people who say that speak for all or even most libertarians.
I know that they certainly don't speak for me.

That's one of the puzzling things about your posts.
On one hand you attack people (rightly so) for claiming that all cops are bad.
Yet you make similar claims about libertarians.

Seems to me that if one broad generalization is a fallacy, then so is the other.

[spetznaz]

1) Even if to you it 'was just a dog' i believe to the family it was part and parcel of what made them a unit ....it was a part of their family. Most pet owners will agree that a pet is not just 'a dog' or 'a cat' but an inherent member of that family, and that they love their pet like it was one of their own kids. Thus you saying 'it is just a dog and they can get another' is tantamount to telling a family that has just lost a daughter that 'it was just a kid ....you can take the weekend off and procreate and have another in 9 months.'

2) Even if i ignore your previous premise (that it is 'just a dog') that still leaves the fact that the cops acted unprofessionally. Even a couple of freeper cops (and freepers with kids who are cops) have said the way the Tn boys in blue acted in that case was not only callous but worthy of a severe reprimand! You do nto go with shotguns blazing unless the situation warrants it ....and according to freeper cops that situation did not! Moreover (even if they had not shot the dog) the manner in which they treated the family was despicable.

All in all what those cops did is just wrong .....and i am sure (and i hope) that the family in question gets a hold of one of those slick lawyers and makes the TN police department bleed! Sadly it will be the taxpayers that will feel the pinch (although i am sure there must be a way of suing those particular officers directly) ....however i doubt TN cops will ever go gung-ho shotguns ablazing just because some lady called them on the cellphone saying money was flying out of a car window!

Usually i think litigation is taken too far ....however if the family manages to sue those cops 'til kingdom come then i will be exceedingly glad!

[republicman]

That's one of the puzzling things about your posts. On one hand you attack people (rightly so) for claiming that all cops are bad. Yet you make similar claims about libertarians.

You're right I apologize for that.

[republicman]

Just thought you ought to see who some of your allies are--http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/820538/posts

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

Yours would include Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Mao and every petty dictator and royal since the beginning of time. Next time you’re mugged use your cell phone to call a cop. I on the other hand will use my concealed hand gun (w/permit) and protect myself.

BTW since you have no profile may I ask where you're from and have you spent your entire life in a big city?

[let freedom sing]

who shrieked as officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.

what terrible sentence structure

[spetznaz]

I guess CNN has hidden issues.