News from Adoremus Bulletin 12/02

Adoremus Bulletin ^ | December 19, 2002 | Adoremus Bulletin Staff

[sinkspur]

It is the essense of modernism to believe no other people were as smart or as pious or as wonderful or as wise as this living generation.

Those living in the 10th century didn't know much, relative to what we know. They did know more than those living in the 9th century.

I said nothing about piety or beauty or wisdom or being wonderful.

They didn't have deodorant, though, so they didn't smell very good, either.

[Arthur McGowan]

Bells, for the express purpose of alerting the congregation to the imminent Consecration, are mentioned, with the presumption in their favor, in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

[sinkspur]

Nevertheless, the rubrics express a preference for their use.

Really? Then I stand corrected.

And, this is one instance where I'm grateful the rubrics are ignored.

[pbear8]

The day Fabian Bruskewitz is labelled 'more liberal' than the wreckovators is the day I've entered an alternate universe. How does one even respond to that?

Classic liberality of mind the dear bishop shows whilst many of his counterparts show their close-mindedness (illiberality) towards kneeling in genuine awe and reverence of Our Lord.

[Arthur McGowan]

and that pestilence/priest from North Dakota

Robert Hovda?

[ultima ratio]

People may not have known how to build a space-shuttle but they knew how to build cathedrals; they may not have known how to post on the internet, but they knew their Mass backwards and forwards. Next to the tenth century faithful, most Catholics today are religious ciphers. The tenth century would never have tolerated the assaults on Catholic Tradition which has become routine in modern times. Those people were ready to die for the faith. A few hundred years later--when the first attempt was made in England to protestantize the Mass--they did die by the thousands. They allowed themselves to be slaughtered rather than give up the old Mass.

[ninenot]

Ah, the old "I can't back up what I say, so I quit" argument.

Bully for you.

Bells were NOT suppressed. It was expected that they would be used in the fashion which was customary.

Bach, BTW was not Byzantine, he was Lutheran.

[ninenot]

Bingo. Hovda.

[ninenot]

Well--are you ready for the ultimate sacrifice, UR??

[Desdemona]

Bells are a liturgical innovation to the Novus Ordo, so don't complain when somebody introduces an inculturation novelty into the Mass.

I might be an ignorant little post Vatican II brat, but even I know better than that. And then there was the clacker used on Holy Thursday...actually still used around here.

BTW, ALL the great composers' music was done at Mass. Not the entire body of liturgical music of each composer, but they all wrote Masses, Vespers, etc. Stabat Mater, Benediction. The list is endless. For Heaven's sake, that was steady work for musicians.

[Desdemona]

DO you ever want to just scream?

[ninenot]

from the outside, it seems that the RC church has gone mad.

You should see it from the inside.

Thanks for your prayers. Stop up to Milwaukee and I will show you a Parish that is quite sane, thanks--but it's been tough to keep it there.

FOr that matter, BlackElk has a nice little spot near Rockford, IL., and Desdemona insists that her parish in St.Louis is fine and dandy.

But there are some OTHER places, well....

[ninenot]

I have a wife and 6 daughers CURRENTLY in the house.

LONG AGO I got over the 'scream' stuff. Does no damn good.

When you consider them carefully, the arguments used by the supercilious snotnosed liturgy punks are all quite specious. The presumption that they use is that NOBODY will dare to argue with their "research."

But you don't have to be a medieval scholar to have common sense--which is where most of their arguments fail. They just don't make sense.

[Desdemona]

The presumption that they use is that NOBODY will dare to argue with their "research."

Well, sad thing is, a good number of the people they try to patronize are bookworms and former research librarians - nevermind the musician part (not to mention needing to know music history). They must not have ever heard "Never play Trivial Pursuit against a reference librarian."

[big sigh] And then, some of us collect old Missals.....

[ultima ratio]

Which is--?

[ninenot]

As you mentioned in YOUR post--to die for the Old Mass.

Apparently you will damn near die if you DARE to cross Loverde (inter alia)

[ultima ratio]

Which is why I stick with SSPX. There is no other solution but to follow past teachings and practices--which means following past popes. The present system is broken and the present pontiff is busy writing poetry.

[Catholicguy]

On this we agree. I shall NEVER regard as "disobedience" what my father, his father, his father's father, and his father's father's father did EVERY TIME THEY RECEIVED the Sacrament.

<> What about those who strenuously objected when there was the imposition to KNEEL vs standing as folks had seen their Fathers and Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers etc do?

When kneeling was imposed contra the will of the Christians back then, I guess that was ok?

Our desires re posture etc at Mass ought not be battlegrounds, imo. The Mass is the Mass is the Mass and wars over posture are about confusing accidents and substance<>

[Catholicguy]

<> The Church can't be destroyed. I go to the Missa Normitiva exclusively and I haven't lost the Faith<>