The Soviet Government's Holocaust: There's one thing that big government does well: kill people

frontpagemag/The Remnant ^ | December 30, 2002 | Michael Chapman

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[cynicom]

Well written and factual. Of the twelve men that met and began the Russian Revolution, eight were jews.

[Fzob]

For all the grusome details

Black book of communism

[nathanbedford]

Your point?

[nathanbedford]

Your point?

[cynicom]

Point??? Does an additional fact have a point????

[SevenDaysInMay]

Hillary admires the efficiency; the only question is whether she is more like Lenin or Stalin. She has stated that the Party is the State.

The Clintons controlled Democrat Politburo revealed its enemy of the statee M.O. with its 1993 pogrom at the rural church home where nearly 150 innocent men, women, and children were attacked by JBTs on full auto. 4/19/1993 is all we need to know about Hillary's value of human life; submit or die.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Also check:

Death by Government by R.J. Rummel

[Fzob]

Thanks for the recommendation

[KC_Conspirator]

The sad thing is that the horrors of communism are being white washed by the media and academia.

[struwwelpeter]

A letter from an old friend, who considered herself "Yevreyka" (Jewish):

ôÙ ÌÀÂÉÛØ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔØ ÐÒÏ ÐÏÌÉÔÉËÕ. á Ñ ÎÅ ÏÞÅÎØ ÌÀÂÌÀ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔØ. ðÏÌÉÔÉËÁ - ÄÏ×ÏÌØÎÏ ÇÒÑÚÎÏÅ ÄÅÌÏ. ÷ÓÅÊ ÐÒÁ×ÄÙ ×ÓÅ ÒÁ×ÎÏ ÎÅ ÕÚÎÁÅÛØ, Á ×ÒÁÎØÑ É ÔÁË ÐÏÌÎÏ. ëÏÍÍÕÎÉÓÔÙ ÉÌÉ ÎÅ ËÏÍÍÕÎÉÓÔÙ, ÎÅÔ ÒÁÚÎÉÃÙ, ÅÓÌÉ ÏÎÉ ÓÔÏÑÔ ×Ï ÇÌÁ×Å ÇÏÓÕÄÁÒÓÔ×Á. ÷Ï ×ÓÅÍ ÅÓÔØ É ÈÏÒÏÛÅÅ É ÐÌÏÈÏÅ. ïÞÅÎØ ÇÏÒÖÕÓØ Ó×ÅÔÌÙÍÉ ÇÏÌÏ×ÁÍÉ × òÏÓÓÉÉ, ×ÓÅÍÉ ÄÏÓÔÉÖÅÎÉÑÍÉ É × ÔÒÕÄÅ É × ÂÏÑÈ. ëÓÔÁÔÉ, Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÄÅÄÕÛËÁ ÐÏÇÉÂ × ÷ÅÌÉËÕÀ ïÔÅÞÅÓÔ×ÅÎÎÕÀ. ïÎ ÚÁËÏÎÞÉÎ ÔÏ ÖÅ ÕÞÉÌÉÝÅ, ÞÔÏ ÐÏÔÏÍ ÚÁËÁÎÞÉ×ÁÌ çÁÇÁÒÉÎ É ÂÙÌ ÌÅÔÞÉËÏÍ. á ÐÒÏ ÌÁÇÅÒÑ Ñ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ÓÌÙÛÁÌÁ, Ñ ÖÉÌÁ ÎÁ ëÏÌÙÍÅ.

"You love to talk politics. Well, I don't really like to. Politics is a rather dirty business. You never know the whole truth, and the lies are many. Communist or non-communist, there is no difference if they are at the head of the government. In each there are good and bad. I am very proud of the bright minds in Russia, of all their achievements in labor and battle. My grandfather died in the great patriotic war. He graduated from the very same trade school as Gagarin, and was also a pilot. And the camps - I not only heard about them, I lived in Kolyma."

÷ÓÅ ÎÁÛÉ ÐÏÓÅÌËÉ ÓÏÚÄÁ×ÁÌÉÓØ ÐÏÄ ÌÁÇÅÒÑ × ÓÔÁÌÉÎÓËÉÅ ×ÒÅÍÅÎÁ. õÄÏÂÎÏ, ÞÔÏ ÚÁËÌÀÞÅÎÎÙÍ ÎÅËÕÄÁ ÓÂÅÖÁÔØ, ×ÏËÒÕÇ ÏÄÎÉ ÇÏÒÙ. íÏÊ ÏÔÅà ÚÁÝÉÔÉÌ Ó×ÏÀ ÓÅÓÔÒÕ É ÚÁ ÜÔÏ ÂÙÌ ÓÏÓÌÁÎ ÎÁ óÅ×ÅÒ, ÎÏ ÐÏËÁ ÅÈÁÌ ÄÏ íÁÇÁÄÁÎÁ, Ó ÎÅÇÏ ÏÂ×ÉÎÅÎÉÅ ÓÎÑÌÉ. á ÎÁÚÁÄ ÂÙÌÏ ÓÔÒÁÛÎÏ ÅÈÁÔØ É ÏÎ ÏÓÔÁÌÓÑ, ÎÏ ÓÔÁÌ ÏÈÒÁÎÎÉËÏÍ, Á ÐÏÔÏÍ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÌ × ÏÈÒÁÎÅ ×ÚÙ×ÞÁÔÙÈ ×ÅÝÅÓÔ× É ÚÏÌÏÔÁ, ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÐÅÒÅ×ÏÚÉÌÉÓØ Ó ÐÒÉÉÓËÏ×.

"All our villages were built under the camps during the time of Stalin. It was convenient that the prisoners could not escape to anywhere, since all around were only mountains. My father defended his sister and for that he was sent to the north, but upon reaching Magadan the charges were dropped. But he was afraid to return and stayed, and became a guard, and later a watchman for precious gems and gold which were produced in the mines."

åÓÌÉ ÔÙ ÄÕÍÁÅÛØ, ÞÔÏ ÎÁ óÅ×ÅÒÅ ÖÉÚÎØ - ÓËÁÚËÁ, ÏÛÉÂÁÅÛØÓÑ. ôÁÍ ÇÄÅ Ñ ÖÉÌÁ ÚÉÍÏÊ ÂÙÌÉ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÙÅ ÍÏÒÏÚÙ É ÔÕÍÁÎÙ, ÓÏÌÎÃÁ ÎÅ ÂÙÌÏ, ÌÅÔÏ ÂÙÌÏ ËÏÒÏÔËÏÅ. åÓÔØ ÓÕÈÕÀ ËÁÒÔÏÛËÕ, ÌÕË, ÚÎÁÅÛØ ËÁË-ÔÏ ÍÁÌÏ ÐÒÉÑÔÎÏ. ÷ ÒÁÓÃ×ÅÔ ËÏÍÍÕÎÉÓÔÉÞÅÓËÏÇÏ ÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ ××ÅÌÉ ËÁÒÔÏÞËÉ ÎÁ ÍÑÓÏ, ÍÁÓÌÏ, ÓÁÈÁÒ. ñ ÚÁËÁÎÞÉ×ÁÌÁ ÛËÏÌÕ, × ÍÁÇÁÚÉÎÁÈ ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÎÅÌØÚÑ ÂÙÌÏ ËÕÐÉÔØ ÉÚ ÅÄÙ É ÐÒÉ×ÅÚÔÉ ÎÅ ÏÔËÕÄÁ. ÷ÙÒÁÓÔÉÔØ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÏÞÅÎØ ÍÁÌÏ, Ô.Ë. ×ÅÞÎÁÑ ÍÅÒÚÌÏÔÁ. ë ÎÁÍ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÓÁÍÏÌÅÔÏÍ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÂÙÌÏ ÄÏÌÅÔÅÔØ. äÅÎØÇÉ ÂÙÌÉ, ÄÁ ÎÅËÕÄÁ ÂÙÌÏ ÉÈ ÄÅÔØ.

"If you think that the life in the North was like a fairy tale, you are mistaken. There where I lived in the winter was always frost and fog, no sun, and summer was short. To eat a dry potato, an onion, you know is not very pleasant. At the dawn of communism they brought potatoes, meat, oil, and sugar. When I finished school in the stores in general was nothing for sale, no food and no one was bringing it in from anywhere. You could grow only a little bit there due to the permafrost. Only airplanes could reach us. Sure we had money, but there was nowhere to spend it."

÷ ïÍÓËÅ ÂÙÌÏ ÌÕÞÛÅ, ÎÏ ÐÏÔÏÍ ÓÔÁÌÏ ÐÒÉÍÅÒÎÏ ÔÁË ÖÅ, ÎÏ ÖÉÔØ ÐÒÏÝÅ, ÐÏÔÏÍÕ ÞÔÏ ÚÄÅÓØ ×ÓÅ ÒÁÓÔÅÔ. ñ ÎÅ ÐÌÁÞÕÓØ É ÎÅ ÖÁÌÕÀÓØ, ÎÏ ÍÅÎÑ ÏÞÅÎØ ÒÁÚÄÒÁÖÁÀÔ ÒÁÚÇÏ×ÏÒÙ ÞÔÏ ÐÒÉ ËÏÍÍÕÎÉÓÔÁÈ ÂÙÌÏ ÌÕÞÛÅ. ðÒÉ çÏÒÂÁÞÅ×Å ÓÔÁÌÏ ÌÕÞÛÅ. á ÐÏÔÏÍ ×ÓÅ ÔÁË ÖÅ. ëÏÇÄÁ ÚÁÒÐÌÁÔÕ ÐÏ ÔÒÉ ÍÅÓÑÃÁ ÚÁÄÅÒÖÉ×ÁÀÔ, ÔÏ ËÁË-ÔÏ ÏÞÅÎØ ÔÏÓËÌÉ×Ï ÓÔÁÎÏ×ÉÔÓÑ. äÁ É ×ÏÏÂÝÅ ÏÞÅÎØ ×ÓÅ ÇÒÕÓÔÎÏ. é ÖÉÚÎØ Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÎÅ ÔÁËÁÑ ÕÖ É ÒÁÚ×ÅÓÅÌÁÑ. éÚ×ÉÎÉ, ÅÓÌÉ ÎÁÇÎÁÌÁ ÔÏÓËÕ. äÁ, ÐÒÏ ÜÍÉÇÒÁÎÔÏ×. ÷ÅÄØ ÅÄÕÔ ÜÍÉÇÒÁÎÔÙ ÎÅ Ó ÍÅÞÔÏÀ ÓÔÁÔØ ÍÉÌÌÉÏÎÅÒÁÍÉ. á ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ÞÔÏÂÙ ÈÏÔØ ÎÅÍÎÏÇÏ ÐÏÖÉÔØ ÎÅ ÔÁË ËÁË ÐÒÉ ËÏÍÍÕÎÉÚÍÅ, ÒÁÚ×ÉÔÏÍ ÓÏÃÉÁÌÉÚÍÅ, ÐÅÒÅÓÔÒÏÊËÅ ÉÌÉ ËÁË ÅÝÅ ÏÂÚÙ×ÁÀÔ ÎÁÛ ÓÔÒÏÊ :)

"In Omsk it was better, and later it got just as bad, but life was simpler, because at least here you could grow something. I don't cry and I don't complain, but I just so sick of conversations that things were so good under the communists. It got a bit better with Gorbachev, but later just the same. When they don't pay salaries for three months straight it just gets so depressing. Yes, and in general very sad. And life for me is not such that I would only be happy as a millionaire. Just simply in order to live like if was under the comunists, or developing socialism, or perestroika or however they want to call our set up ;-)."

[cynicom]

Stru....

My Russian is a tad rusty so will trust your translation was perfect.

The people of Russia, regardless, of race, color or creed have been a long suffering lot for hundreds of years. In their history, it just seems that there is always someone that wants to punish the masses for just being alive. It is no wonder that alcohol is a way of life. Tragic history indeed.

[GADGETMAN]

The article you posted was right on and I concurr with the basic premise. However I think the numbers of people mentioned in the post who were executed is way off. I believe if you include those who were casualities of WWII it runs over 100,000,000 souls.
An excellent book by a Soviet era Historian and Author and a son of one of the participants in the October Revolution is; "THE TIME OF STALIN" Portrait of a Tyranny by Anton Antonov-Ovseyenko. Published by Harper & Row 1980 ISBN
0-06-010148-2

[struwwelpeter]

Thanks, but I'm getting rustier every day I hide out in the states waiting for a shoe or two to drop.

I have a theory that if you want to know about a battle it is better to talk to a grunt than to a staff officer. Ditto for Soviet history: The Cambridge (and Moscow) historian may have to big picture, but it takes a pack of smokes and a few shots to get the details.

[VRW Conspirator]

Well written and factual. Of the twelve men that met and began the Russian Revolution, eight were jews

I do not condemn what you wrote, just the way you framed it.

This part of Soviet history seems to be deliberately obscured. The obvious intention is to cover the sins of the Russian Jews. There is no perfect race or religion. It just goes to show that any group can be visit tyranny on another.

It is sad to watch the many television programs and movies dedicated to the Nazi created Holocaust. What is sadder still is to see the almost complete black out of the Soviet created Holocaust. Saddest yet is the obfuscation of a primary reason for the Nazis tageting the Jews. The Jews largerly favored communism. The Communist party of Germany was the rival of the Nazis, at least for a while. FWIW

[cynicom]

Often time what is left out is what is important. One of the very first laws passed by the communists was a law against anti-semitism. In fact it was a felony and carried the death penalty, which was rather extreme.

That is a fact.

[Tailgunner Joe]

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[Hornetsrule]

Fine article.

Let's get Siggy to chime in.

[Tailgunner Joe]

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