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Make Them Legal [warning: projectilogenic]
New York Sun ^ | 12/19/02 | New York Sun editorial board

Posted on 12/19/2002 11:49:09 AM PST by firebrand

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To: firebrand
Yeah, then Mexico can demand to have their "citizens" share shipped back to them to the tune of a billion a year in SS alone. I have an idea, maybe a couple of million conservatives, who never plan on voting Republican again, can attack Mexico, past the border cities there is nothing all the way to Mexico City.

There is no one there to defend it, they are all up here. A take over would be an easily done deal. Run everyone out into the USofA since the liberals want them so badly, or into Central America, and declare the Constitutional Republic, then we sue the US for our SS and perks. Whats wrong with that? Imagine the shock of the globalist having the tables turned on them, hehehehe. Fun, fun, fun.j/k j/k
21 posted on 12/20/2002 7:55:37 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: mhking
What the hell kind of leap of logic is that!?

It's just another example of Emerson's famous quote, "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

It seems to escape the folks who make arguments like this that there is more than one reason to be concerned about immigration....

22 posted on 12/20/2002 8:01:17 AM PST by r9etb
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To: dirtboy
The kind that tries to cross a chasm with two leaps, and then pretends it didn't hurt upon impacting the canyon floor.

ROTFLMAO!!!! I might have to steal that one from you.

23 posted on 12/20/2002 8:02:00 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bodacious
You're right. The City of New York might make $110 million, but the rest of us lose. They're not paying Federal taxes, probably eligible for the EITC, maybe food stamps. And that's the 80% who work!.

What about the 55,000 illegals who don't? How do they survive and who pays for it?

24 posted on 12/20/2002 8:08:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: firebrand
MASSIVE barfed-up-chunks-of-last-night's-pizza Alert!
25 posted on 12/20/2002 8:51:40 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Ajnin; Sabertooth; MissAmericanPie; madfly; Tancredo Fan; Poohbah; Reaganwuzthebest; WRhine; ...
Everyone on these illegal immigration threads should go see 'The Two Towers', if they haven't already.

Tell me walls like they had at 'Helm's Deep' wouldn't make the Border Patrol's job on the borders easier. Note the doors along the ramparts that swing open that would give the Border Patrol a clear shot at any climbers with their new pepper ball launchers, while still protecting them from projectiles.

There's the guys that can build them for us. Peter Jackson's crew look like bonafied experts at building those fortificationss.

Look at all the room for advertising space on those walls!

Can't you just see the McDonald's, Pepsi, Coke, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Sears industrial, digging, drilling and cutting tools ads on those walls, now?

Those walls would generate a positive cash flow! ;^)

26 posted on 12/20/2002 9:21:47 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: madfly; *immigrant_list
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27 posted on 12/20/2002 9:23:07 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: 4Freedom
Tell me walls like they had at 'Helm's Deep' wouldn't make the Border Patrol's job on the borders easier.

Kindly note that it's much easier (and much cheaper) to create the illusion of immense walls on a movie screen than it is to build those walls in reality.

28 posted on 12/20/2002 9:30:07 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
So what, if it's a little harder.

Did you see the movie, yet? Did you get a load of all of that potential advertising space?

Why we can pay for the construction of the walls, their maintenance and upkeep and retire the 'national debt'!

29 posted on 12/20/2002 9:37:42 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom; Sabertooth
So what, if it's a little harder.

Not a "little" harder.

It will be MUCH harder. Those walls were probably a mixture of a few tens of feet of outdoor set and computer-generated imagery.

A real wall of that size would consist of 2,100 miles of concrete and rebar stretching tens of feet skyward.

It would thus be much more expensive.

Did you see the movie, yet? Did you get a load of all of that potential advertising space?

I haven't seen the movie. I've read the book, and I know what you're talking about.

Why we can pay for the construction of the walls, their maintenance and upkeep and retire the 'national debt'!

Advertising costs depends in part on how much traffic goes past the point where the advertisment is placed. On most of the US-Mexican border, that traffic, excluding jackrabbits, coyotes, and rattlesnakes (all of which do not have money), is "nil," which in turn indicates that the advertising revenues will be nil. You wouldn't even break even on the cost of building the walls.

A construction plan from 1978-1981--the MX ICBM Mobile Protected Shelter (MPS) basing concept in the Nevada/Utah Great Basin--would have been the largest public works program in the history of the United States had it gone forward. It was killed mostly due to the enormous price tag it would have cost if everything had gone perfectly. The missiles wound up getting built and stuck into existing silos in Wyoming, so they weren't the main issue.

Your proposal dwarfs the MX MPS program by a wide margin, and would probably not survive Congressional debate as a result.

30 posted on 12/20/2002 9:55:50 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Ajnin
excellent point!
31 posted on 12/20/2002 10:01:12 AM PST by madfly
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To: 4Freedom; Poohbah
Tell me walls like they had at 'Helm's Deep' wouldn't make the Border Patrol's job on the borders easier.


OK, I'm convinced ...


Elves on the Border!






32 posted on 12/20/2002 10:36:23 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Poohbah; 4Freedom
Your proposal dwarfs the MX MPS program by a wide margin, and would probably not survive Congressional debate as a result.


Dwarves on the Border!




33 posted on 12/20/2002 10:39:32 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Very punny, Saber, very punny.
34 posted on 12/20/2002 10:40:32 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; 4Freedom
Hey, check out these topographical maps of the Rocky Mountains, where they cross the border into Mexico. It's gonna take a bit of grading to put a wall across those.








35 posted on 12/20/2002 11:50:10 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Reminds me of the old adage...

"Any task is easy if you're not the guy who actually has to do the work."
36 posted on 12/20/2002 12:20:27 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; Sabertooth
"You wouldn't even break even on the cost of building those walls."

Ah, but you didn't say we wouldn't make any money at all. So, how much do you believe we would make?

Would the advertising cover half the cost?

What was the projected cost of the MX ICBM project back in 1978 - '81?

With the walls providing protection and security, more people might be motivated to live near the border.

37 posted on 12/20/2002 1:42:05 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah; Ajnin
Great pictures Sabertooth. Now that's the spirit!

Hey Ajnin, you resemble any of the characters in 'The Two Towers'?

38 posted on 12/20/2002 1:51:09 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah
Why in the world world we need to build walls over the Rocky Mountains? Wouldn't they be barrier enough? Just block the passes and put some Dwarves and Elves with those new pepper ball launchers atop those small barriers.

Heck, that'll make it even easier than I thought.

39 posted on 12/20/2002 2:00:02 PM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Why in the world world we need to build walls over the Rocky Mountains? Wouldn't they be barrier enough? Just block the passes and put some Dwarves and Elves with those new pepper ball launchers atop those small barriers.

Logic never goes very far with those consumed in the search for False Dilemmas. America can protect the borders of other countries quite effectively but somehow when it comes to protecting our own borders the task suddenly becomes "too expensive" or "impossible". It's amazing how some peoples' agenda will warp their ability to reason.

40 posted on 12/20/2002 3:03:21 PM PST by WRhine
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