AP's One-Sided Venezuela Coverage

NarcoNews ^ | 18 December 2002 | Dan Feder

[Zviadist]

You have called the opposition 'anti-democratic', even though they are engaged in peaceful protest and are calling for elections.

Nonsense. They are conducting a LOCK-OUT strike. You know what that means?

[RedWhiteBlue]

The "Narconews?" You have got to be kidding! That source is a joke. Why don't you quote Vheadline.com while you're at it, just so that you make sure you have all of the Marxist bases covered?

[Zviadist]

Hey, if the teamsters on our own West Coast can do it over a mere FEW HUNDRED JOBS, then the people in Venezuala can do it (and imho probably should)

So President Bush, in your view, was a dictator even worse than Chavez for forcibly breaking up this teamster strike. Chavez has not forcibly broken the strike. Interesting view on our president.

[Zviadist]

The "Narconews?" You have got to be kidding! That source is a joke. Why don't you quote Vheadline.com

No, how about I only quote your sycophantic pro-rebel sites. That would make for a balanced debate, wouldn't it? Trying to crush opposing views is the trait of a Marxist-Leninist. As I see it, it is you who are behaving thusly by demanding that only side of the debate be presented here.

[WOSG]

Me:Anyone with senes knows that what South america needs most is sane economic policies and stable democratic politics

Zviadist: That is where we differ.

LOL! that is all you need to say... I am for sane and stable economic policies and democratic politics and you are not. :-)

the rest of your rant presumes much about *me* and is false. I have no wish to impose anything on South America, but am only expressing common sense. I am content to let SA work its politics out, but you seem to think Chavez should rule unhindered by opposition, even though he has shown himself to be a terrible leader who is damaging his country. Why dont you listen to what the opposition is telling you about the country rather trying to supress it and tarnish it so much?

[Zviadist]

You think you are clever with this?

[Zviadist]

you seem to think Chavez should rule unhindered by opposition

Where did I say that? I only said that the political losers of an election don't get to overthrow the guy who wins just because they don't like him. I think even a third grader could understand this.

[axel]

Z ~ After carefully reading the banter between you and others. I have determined that you are the one with the black hat.
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[Zviadist]

Brilliant. How wonderful this new, dumbed-down America is. Just delightful. So witty and analytical. Groupthink is the new national religion.

[fella]

Chavez. Isn't he the one who sent his personal gaurds up to the top of his palace with scoped rifes and had them murder a number of peaceful protesters? So far I've not heard of one investigation much less an arrest. He had this done right in front of the TV cameras for the world to see. This is the guy you support?

[RedWhiteBlue]

No, how about I only quote your sycophantic pro-rebel sites.

And what would those be? I have never seen anything more one-sided than Narconews.

That would make for a balanced debate, wouldn't it? Trying to crush opposing views is the trait of a Marxist-Leninist. As I see it, it is you who are behaving thusly by demanding that only side of the debate be presented here.

Do you see anyone here "crushing your views?" I don't. I see honest differences of opinion, which YOU INVITED by posting the article from a very questionable source. Has your post been pulled? No it hasn't. Your have been allowed to speak your mind. Are you being ignored? No you are not. What do you want us to do? Ignore you, or pat you on the back without questioning your post or the source of the article? Join in behind you, goosestepping with you? Apparently that IS what you expect. Or is nobody is allowed to have an opinion different from you, are you the one that can't get past discent? YOU posted the article here and agree with it. If you don't expect questions or don't want to defend what you think about the subject, you shouldn't have posted it.

[Zviadist]

from a very questionable source.

It provides a point of view worth considering. Rational consideration would focus less on the source than on the content.

[Cincinatus]

Rational consideration would focus less on the source than on the content.

In your former existence as a "foreign correspondent", did you work for either Pravda or Volkischer Boebachter?

[Dog Gone]

The Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary are not a secret. If the Venezuelans don't take care of Chavez, American policy is already in place.

[jimt]

How would people on this thread react if Colombia started funneling millions of dollars to Democratic Party candidates.

It wasn't Columbia, it was Communist China, in a quid pro quo deal.

[jimt]

When Komrade Klinton came to town, there were large numbers of us who turned out to tell him what we thought of him.

There were also large numbers of goobermint workers, on the payroll, who turned out to support him - as well as a few unpaid supporters. But the majority were goobermint folks.

Democracy must be limited, otherwise it's three wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. And when I hear of Chavez cozying up to Castro, etc., I have little doubt as to who are the wolves.

Your post is a good one, however.

[jimt]

Check out "narconews", folks. They're pitching a letter signed by U.S. Reps Kucinich, Conyers, Serrano, Frank... the "usual suspects" when support of communism is needed. I have a hard time looking for truth & moral guidance to a guy who ran a male prostitution ring in his basement.

[Mr. C]

Several Points that were missed here:

1 - Did I read it wrong or wasn't there a news report that three Venezuelans were killed and scores wounded when Chavez's people opened fire on peaceful demonstrators. If memory also serves, living under a Democratic goverment gives the right for people to strike and/or demonstrate against the policies of the Government? Isn't that one of the basioc tenets of a free country? the right of expression? What makes me laugh here is that if the shoe was on the other foot then we'd be hearing a different story from the media, trust me.

2 - Wasn't one of the ket issues that started the strike was Mr. Chavez creation of Neighborhood Block Self-Help groups and the "Bolivarian Circles", which appears to many Venezuelan citizens a "too close for comfort" resemblance of the Neighborhood Informant watch-dogs in Castro's Cuba? and was I mistaken or didn't I read somewhere that Chavez had some "Cuban" advisors?

3 - The whole thing that started this mess, and it's so typical of a left winger to mess with something that works, is/was Chavez's desire to nationalize Venezuela's oil industry, which apparently was working quite well and bringing in money to the country? I mean after all why screw around with something that works? OOPS! That's right! Marxist Religious, er, Ideological, Dogma demands that all business be controlled by the state! No Free thinkers please! or perhaps the point to this entire exercise is to cause problems in the oil supply to the United States to put a dent in the war on terror?

4 - Finally, most REAL Democratic leaders, when faced with an issue of this nature and with a sizable amount of dissatisfied people, would realize there's a big problem here and try to negotiate with the leaders of the opposition, make an attempt to accomodate the those that are dissatisfied or for the sake of the country step down or resign. Chavez refuses to. This is Sheer, unadulterated Castroism at work here. If the "upper" classes disagree with me and my socialist plan, then I'll drive them to a point where they'll voluntarily leave the country, or I'll deport them myself as a "humanitarian" gesture, or just plain shoot them. This is exactly how radical Marxism works; divide, conquer and kill.

Trust me everyone, they will be no elections and they'll be no voting and they'll be only Chavez' law in the end. His and Castros.

[KC_Conspirator]

Sorry Johnson, but you are totally wrong. Chavez made himself dictator for life and has ruled with an iron fist and now he paying for it.