Posted on 12/19/2002 7:46:36 AM PST by Zviadist
As a former foreign correspondent abroad, I can attest to what this author is saying about the AP reporters abroad. Everyone knew they were the laziest and worst reporters out there.
You speak the truth. At last! So what do you say to the multitudes here on FR who are tripping over each other to express "solidarity" with those participating in the coup in the streets? I haven't seen such sentiment since Berkeley.
I have been called "pro-dictator" because I have had the nerve to suggest here that because the majority of Venezuelans voted for Chavez, he is indeed the legal leader of the country. Overthrowing him through violent street action would be anti-democratic. I am called anti-democratic for suggesting that every vote should count, not just that of the corrupt oligarchy.
Here is the heart of the anti-democracy: a foreign government funding an un-elected and unpopular political movement which takes the money to overthrow a legally-elected and popular government. Isn't this what the Soviet Union did in Eastern Europe? So what makes it OK for us to do it? Answer: it was wrong for the Soviets and it is wrong for us. That is why people are no longer pro-America. But too many blockheads here just don't get it.
How would people on this thread react if Colombia started funneling millions of dollars to Democratic Party candidates. Hell: how did all of us here react when it came out that the Red Chinese were funneling money to Clinton and the Democrats!!!! We were pi$$ed!!. As are foreign countries when we intervene in their electoral proceses. Why don't people here get it?
Good grief, they call Chavez a firebrand, pugnacious, left-leaning - I'd say they find him quite appealing. Poor Hugo, he has critics outside of the mainstream media. Hugo doesn't like critics, does he?
You would have no doubt supported Hitler in 1933 -- he was "democratically elected." Stalin got 99.9% of the vote in his "elections" too. I believe in the recent "democratic referendum" in Cuba, everybody thought Castro's police state was just wonderful, thank you for asking.
Please continue to make an jackass of yourself -- you do it so well!
This is exactly what I have been saying all along. How many demonstrations against Hitler were there? How many Soviet television stations criticized Stalin? Does anyone even remember what dictatorship is? Have the leftists in our institutions completely succeded in obliterating Americans' understanding of history?
You are completely absurd? Are you capable of rational argument, or are you just 100 percent Oprah emotionalism?
Stalin and Castro did not have democratic elections. There were no other options available. Chavez won elections against the two major -- and better funded -- parties. So that statement is absurd.
As for Hitler: he was put forth and bankrolled by the German industrialists -- the same kind of people behind your glorious revolutionary strikes in the streets of Caracas.
Perhaps you should gain at least a rudimentary understanding of history before you proceed with these arguments.
I missed that news item about Clinton and his minions getting kicked out of office for this, let alone getting any major political heat for it. Seems only the freepers cared that Clinton sold off American national security for political gain and campaign cash. And note - I dont blame the Chinese for trying, I blame Clinton for being corrupt enough to sell out our national security for gain (as he did on several issues!).
Anyway, Clinton handpicked Ehud Barak as Israeli PM with Carville advising his campaign, intervened and made Arafat a leader of PA as opposed to just PLO leader, invaded Haiti and removed a government, eliminated serbian sovereinty over Kosovo and in the process displaced thousands of serbs ... all this direct and heavyhanded Clinton interventionism in the last decade, and you are looking for faint fingerprints in an internal crisis in South America? Hilarious.
You are missing the obvious in your search for hidden skeletons: Economic interests and the (shrinking) middle-class *in* Venezuala dont want the would-be castroite Chavez ruining their economy and stealing their property and turning their industries into socialist fiefdoms. THAT is where the opposition is coming from, that is where the money is coming from. This is the life-and-death struggle of economic opportunity and freedom for these people.
And you better hope the opponents win. If they lose, they will migrate to Miami like the Cuban Americans did when Castro took over in 1960 in Cuba and hound you for decades on this point! :-)
And your point is?
Fine. Next time elections are up they shouldn't vote for him. That is how things work in democracies. You think that the above groups should somehow be able to decide who governs Latin America without input from the rest of the population? You sould like a Latin American dictator for suggesting that the citizens' votes do not count.
Yeah, I guess those "industrialists" just went into a back room and printed up those ballots for Hitler, huh? They must also have used CGI for the mass rallies in Nurenberg, too.
And if I need education in history, I'll seek out someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.
Should I take that to mean that you refuse my correction about the Soviet and Cuban elections being not democratic?
Stalin and Castro declared their fraudulent elections "democratic", just like your hero, Hugo Chavez's defintion of "democratic", i.e., agree with me and I'll allow your to have your opinion.
I refuse to accept your sophistry. However, I am enjoying your posts as a source of comedy.
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