U.S. manufacturing jobs fading away fast

Yahoo/USA Today ^ | Fri Dec 13, 7:48 AM ET | Barbara Hagenbaugh

[RnMomof7]

Remember this country was built on Free Enterprise, which means open competation,

This country was built on tariffs and do not forget it

[wcbtinman]

I'm not complaining that the free market doesn't work. Among other things, I'm complaining that there is only the illusion of a "free" market.

"This is socialism?"

When the govt tells my trucking co. that I have to have permission and authority to carry any goods out of the state,, that goes beyond regulation, and into socialism.

When the largest portion of my tax dollar goes for various welfare programs That is socialism.

When the govt controls how my children are educated, when the govt wants to and for the most part controls how I utilize my health care dollars, that's socialism.

I think that it is a miracle that the capitalist system performs as well as it does under the current onslaught of this govt. But, sooner or later some major force, domestic or foreign is gonna make even this house of cards fall. I don't think we have, today, the type of capitalist-free market system we think we do. Just my observation.

As to running for the hills, if you read my prior posts, I stated that that is exactly what I won't do. I'm too old and too ornery to run from a bunch of govt weenies. I'm gonna stand my ground and fight for what I know is right. I'm suggesting that everyone else prepare to do the same. After all, there's nowhere to run to. If there's going to be a fight, I'm gonna fight on my turf.

[FormerLurker]

IBM, Intel, Motorola, Microsoft, Sun Microsystems and other large corporations are shifting a lot of work to India.

India doesn't pose as big of a risk as China..

IBM China Research Laboratory

Intel in China

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Motorola's China-Based Chip Factory to Start Production

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[oldmanlegg]

I heard this argument throughout the seventies and early eighties when the Japanese where buying up all our choice real estate. I kept asking the skeptics what they thought the Jap's were going to do with it, take it back to Japan? In the late eighties / early nineties the real estate market went bust and the Jap's went home broke. They left the property and their money here.
They were investing their money here, just as the aforementioned manufactures are doing. It behooves these manufactures to see that we [the U.S.] do well. If we fail, guess who loses their a--? They will be back in Europe, broke, and we will have their improvements and the money it took to develop it.
In principle I'm opposed to profits going offshore, but I don't think it the disaster this guy tries to make it.

[arete]

If we had more manufacturing, where would we get the manpower to man it?

If repeating the same empty argument over and over is the best you can do, then I'd pack it in if I were you.

Richard W.

[PuNcH]

So in this WAR they use their people as slave labor to provide us with cheap goods, which frees up more of our money to go to other areas of our economy which raises our standard of living.....Meanwhile they keep their people poor and their purchasing power low, which keeps their ecomomic growth low and stiffles their national prosperity.

While it is true you can get some cheap knick knacks for the most part the goods are not cheaper. The cost of living is not cheaper.

Also your conclusion doesnt not describe what is going on in China today. It is pretty hard to argue with China's progress when they can now point a nuclear warhead at you.

[arete]

It's pretty clear you will be the one of the muscle-headed thugs

Yep, that's me alright -- a muscle-headed thug. Like I said, anyone who doesn't agree with you and your single minded simplistic ideas must be discredited with adolescent name calling. Always attack the person. That's chapter one in your party playbook. If you happen to ever stumble on to a thought of your very own, let us know. Until then, stay in the sandbox.

Richard W.

[BJungNan]

What is the benefit, other than cheap labor costs, of moving tech overseas?

For starters, companies overseas are not faced with onerous OSHA regulations - 80 percent of all OSHA fines are issued for paperwork-only violations, not actual workplace safety infractions.

[RLK]

What I said stands.

[RLK]

I give you a cold hard fact, and I get anecdotes in return?

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Frankly, neither you or your so-called facts aren't even worth that.

[Karsus]

How many Tech/software companies have been hit with OSHA fines?

[SSN558]

"Complete fallacy. Have you ever heard of the laws of equilibrium? As their standard of livin goes up ours must come down."

The laws of equilbrium do not fit your anaylsis but I agree that a complete fallacy applies to the globalization trade agreements. I have read portions of NAFTA and GATT they are filled with legalese that protects the intrests of traders while selling the average Amercian down the river. The empty brick buildings and people carrying their belongings in brown paper bags are evidence enough.

Wealth is distributed after it is created. Most communists and socialists miss this point. The raw materials be they seed, metal ore, or fuel increase in value after they are processed. It requires intelligence and effort to cause this increase in value, or creation of wealth. Then the profits are distributed.

Everybody in the supply chain is not cut out for MBA's and PHD's and those others lose in America. For the ones that supply the effort the future under international trade is bleak.

Capitalism is brutal at weeding out inefficiency. It is so brutal that most people of the world have opted to have governments to control commerce. Condemming large segments of the population to a life of being criminals should be criminal. It is not so for the globalists.

Republicans, Democrats, Unions, are all guilty, and they are for sale to the highest bidder. The founding fathers would crap in their pants to see the way the people of property have sold out on their own countrymen.

When the rise of the industrial age raised the standard of living for the human race, it also produced an unequal distribution of political power to busineess monopolists that undermined constitutional liberties of workers. Government intervened to preserve the constitution. Today government has become the problem and 60% of eligble voters have abandoned the process.

[SSN558]

"Complete fallacy. Have you ever heard of the laws of equilibrium? As their standard of livin goes up ours must come down."

The laws of equilbrium do not fit your anaylsis but I agree that a complete fallacy applies to the globalization trade agreements. I have read portions of NAFTA and GATT they are filled with legalese that protects the intrests of traders while selling the average Amercian down the river. The empty brick buildings and people carrying their belongings in brown paper bags are evidence enough.

Wealth is distributed after it is created. Most communists and socialists miss this point. The raw materials be they seed, metal ore, or fuel increase in value after they are processed. It requires intelligence and effort to cause this increase in value, or creation of wealth. Then the profits are distributed.

Everybody in the supply chain is not cut out for MBA's and PHD's and those others lose in America. For the ones that supply the effort the future under international trade is bleak.

Capitalism is brutal at weeding out inefficiency. It is so brutal that most people of the world have opted to have governments to control commerce. Condemming large segments of the population to a life of being criminals should be criminal. It is not so for the globalists.

Republicans, Democrats, Unions, are all guilty, and they are for sale to the highest bidder. The founding fathers would crap in their pants to see the way the people of property have sold out on their own countrymen.

When the rise of the industrial age raised the standard of living for the human race, it also produced an unequal distribution of political power to busineess monopolists that undermined constitutional liberties of workers. Government intervened to preserve the constitution. Today government has become the problem and 60% of eligble voters have abandoned the process.

[marbren]

Does any one posting here have an idea of what their idea is going to solve. I see minutia trumping minutia is all.

What if the USA takes over the world?

[general_re]

Thanks. I'll take that as an admission that your daily chicken-little routine just can't account for those facts.

[William Terrell]

Thanks.

[Taxman]

You are exactly correct:

"You want more jobs, push for the repeal of the 16th amendment and all other federal tax[es]. Replace it [the income tax] with a simple [National Retail] sales tax. You will have companies fighting to get here."

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[Revel]

I am no expert there, It would be different for different films. But the fact is that when you blow up a film picture then it gets fuzzy and grainy. This is due to that limit in resoulution in the original film shot. It is not infinite and is considerable. However I would guess that generally a film shot would be better. As the "megapixels" of digital cameras increase then I don't know if this will hold true.

[nanny]

+++How do you think I have been running a deficit with my local supermarket?

You see, they pay taxes in the community, therefore, they are keeping my tax burden down.

They buy directly from people in the community to a small degree - but some.

They help support charities in this community.

They provide jobs for people in this community - so those people can buy my products, services, etc., and so they can contribute to the economy.

Much of the money they make stays in the community through jobs, etc.

Now how is that an overall deficit?

My daughter who was employed by one of those dot.com companies, making great money was laid off. She decided to come home to live and complete her degree. That supermarket provides a part time job for her to help her pay for her education. You see they pay her much more than I spend a that same supermaket.

In short, they are part of this community, part of what makes it work, part of what supports it and makes it a good place to live.

[Revel]

"Don't attempt to try to bullcrap me with metaphor and abstract poetry. I notice the salesman and the manufactorer have no objection when a working person making $20.00 an hour walks in to buy a new refrigerator or automobile. I also notice the economy turns to dung when laboring people don't have that money. If you move industries out of the country there will be no market for goods. There must be an equilibrium between wages and imvestment/managent for an economy to function. That equilibrium was the source of the longest economic boom in history between 1947 and about 1970. In disturbing that equilibrium we are destroying this nation. Got it?"

We surely have the same beliefs on this subject.