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Policy resolved on origin of life
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^
| 12/11/2002
| Scott Stephens
Posted on 12/11/2002 3:19:35 PM PST by jennyp
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To: Aric2000
To: ImaGraftedBranch
I study history, and by studying history I have found MANY fascinating things.
I also study astronomy, in Which I have discovered MANY fascinating things.
I also study Biology, in which I have discovered MANY amazing things.
I have also studied religion, in which I have discovered MANY, MANY, MANY amazing things.
I study, and what I find continues to show me that Science is indeed on the right track, that our main theories are sound and will be built upon greatly in the years to come.
As we have discovered to religions unmitigated gall, is that the Earth is NOT flat, the universe DOES NOT revolve aound the earth, we are indeed little bits of organic matter in a huge universe that is undoubtedly, to me anyway, packed with life. I do not believe in a god that you believe in, I believe in MUCH more then that, but you would have to have the experiences that my life has given me to even come close to understanding that.
You believe in something very small, whereas my beliefs span the universe itself.
Sad really, but I do not force my beliefs on others, so, please, feel free to take your chances, because I take none. I believe in what I believe, based on fact, science, and intuition based on those facts.
Enjoy your book, please, but I can't, I know FAR too much about it's history. That's the problem with an open mind, sometimes the faith is hurt, or even removed, as in my case.
faith in something written, such as the bible is VERY limiting, as I see with many, many, christians, especially creationist type christians, I refuse to be limited by a book, I wish to learn, not what some claim to be god's word, but by studying the universe around me.
Read stranger in a Strange Land, and you will get a glimpse of it, but just a glimpse.
Do you "Grock"?
154 posted on 12/11/2002 11:04 PM PST by Aric2000
To: nanrod
Anything which is possible doesn't take billions of years. Things that make you go "hmmmmm..."
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posted on
12/12/2002 1:54:32 PM PST
by
jennyp
To: Aric2000
grock...is that when your chariot loses both wheels and the skids go---GGGGGGGGGROCK!
To: nanrod
No wasps, no ants, no hornets, no spiders, nothing in the world which any honest person would call macroevolutionSorry, but "evolution at the species level" is a standard definition of "macroevolution". The emergence of a new species is macroevolution even if it's "still just a fruit fly". What you prefer to refer to as "macroevolution" would be called "evolution of higher taxa" by most biologists. Granted this is most, and the most important parts of, "macroevolution". Of course creationists are intentionally non-committal or imprecise about what exactly would or would not qualify as "macroevolution" (that is by their arm-waving defintion as opposed to the normal definition).
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posted on
12/12/2002 1:58:24 PM PST
by
Stultis
To: f.Christian
Not quite sure how you got out of the factory a couple of quarts low... but if I can persuade you to return, we'll get that taken care of.
It's hard to find good inspectors these days.
To: The Man Upstairs
Toys in the attic...looking for storage!
To: f.Christian
Toys in the attic...looking for storage! My diagnosis exactly.
But as I said, if we can get you to come in and get that fixed, you'll be good as new.
My apology for your condition not being noticed at the factory.
To: f.Christian
That some idiots have attempted to shoe-horn a biological theory into a poor politicial ideology is indicative that they do not understand politics, not that evolution is false.
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posted on
12/12/2002 2:08:27 PM PST
by
Dimensio
To: The Man Upstairs
'free range' science...
To: Aric2000
your ego makes me barf!
'grock'
you need a tether---ROCK!
Main Entry: 1teth·er
Pronunciation: 'te-[th]&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tethir, probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse tjOthr tether; akin to Old High German zeotar pole of a wagon
Date: 14th century
1 : something (as a rope or chain) by which an animal is fastened so that it can range only within a set radius
2 : the limit of one's strength or resources < at the end of my tether >
To: f.Christian
Hey, you're the one who posted bogus information regarding B.F. Skinner. It is your fault that you were wrong, not mine. You posted factually incorrect information, now be a man (or woman, as the case may be) and admit your mistake.
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posted on
12/12/2002 2:10:56 PM PST
by
Dimensio
To: f.Christian
Good Heavens, it's worse than I thought.
Please come in and have this glaring factory defect remedied as soon as possible.
How this wasn't noticed, is beyond my comprehension.
To: Aric2000
a2...
"I study, and what I find continues to show me that Science is indeed on the right track, that our main theories are sound and will be built upon greatly in the years to come."
my version...
You prosyletize, and what You do continues to show everyone that EVOLUTION is indeed on a circular tack, that your main engines are slave driven and people will be leaving greatly in the years to come.
You remind me of the bismark...stuck rudder---SLAUGHTER!
"slide right into it(bottom)"...the sides blew out!
To: Dimensio
big deal...a mistake---I was wrong about bfskinner!
Academic/urban legend...so is evolution!
To: Aric2000
This is too funny...
a2...
You enjoy being a robot, me, I will take advantage of the intelligence and curiosity I have.
And by the way, the real difference between you and me is this. When it is proven that your creation myth is truly that, a myth, your world will come apart around you, whereas with me, if the theory of evolution is replaced with something that explains the facts better, then I will slide right into it.
Your world destroyed, mine, just a bit more explained.
141 posted on 12/11/2002 9:28 PM PST by Aric2000
fc...
"slide(skid) right into it(s***)"...
To: The Man Upstairs
reality is beyond your comprehension!
To: Dimensio
PH is an aynrand 'objectivist'...atheist---definitely!
To: Dimensio
forgot this part...
That some idiots have attempted to shoe-horn a biological theory into a poor politicial ideology is indicative that they do not understand politics, not that evolution is false.
PH is an aynrand 'objectivist'...atheist---definitely!
To: gore3000
Excellent argument. The meanest arguers seem to be Darwinites...defensive maybe?
To: Dimensio
That some idiots have attempted to shoe-horn a biological theory into a poor politicial ideology is indicative that they do not understand politics, not that evolution is false. also...
jp thinks evolution and capitalism are the same dynamics!
To: Dimensio
That some idiots have attempted to shoe-horn a biological theory into a poor politicial ideology is indicative that they do not understand politics, not that evolution is false. jp is an aynrandist too...atheistic/material science---evolution!
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