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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: Pahuanui
Now you're quoting the French.

LOL!!!!!

I knew Libertarians were a stupid bunch, but this takes the cake.

Can you even read what I posted?

The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

Are you actually saying that the Corpus Juris Civilis did not condemn sodomy?

121 posted on 12/10/2002 1:11:44 PM PST by FF578
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To: Phantom Lord
When Englands laws start applying to the United States

Criminal sodomy laws in effect in 1791: Connecticut: 1 Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut, 1808, Title LXVI, ch. 1, 2 (rev. 1672). Delaware: 1 Laws of the State of Delaware, 1797, ch. 22, 5 (passed 1719). Georgia had no criminal sodomy statute until 1816, but sodomy was a crime at common law, and the General Assembly adopted the common law of England as the law of Georgia in 1784. The First Laws of the State of Georgia, pt. 1, p. 290 (1981). Maryland had no criminal sodomy statute in 1791. Maryland's Declaration of Rights, passed in 1776, however, stated that "the inhabitants of Maryland are entitled to the common law of England," and sodomy was a crime at common law. 4 W. Swindler, Sources and Documents of United States Constitutions 372 (1975). Massachusetts: Acts and Laws passed by the General Court of Massachusetts, ch. 14, Act of Mar. 3, 1785. New Hampshire passed its first sodomy statute in 1718. Acts and Laws of New Hampshire 1680-1726, p. 141 (1978). Sodomy was a crime at common law in New Jersey at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The State enacted its first criminal sodomy law five years later. Acts of the Twentieth General Assembly, Mar. 18, 1796, ch. DC, 7. New York: Laws of New York, ch. 21 (passed 1787). [478 U.S. 186, 193] At the time of ratification of the Bill of Rights, North Carolina had adopted the English statute of Henry VIII outlawing sodomy. See Collection of the Statutes of the Parliament of England in Force in the State of North-Carolina, ch. 17, p. 314 (Martin ed. 1792). Pennsylvania: Laws of the Fourteenth General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ch. CLIV, 2 (passed 1790). Rhode Island passed its first sodomy law in 1662. The Earliest Acts and Laws of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations 1647-1719, p. 142 (1977). South Carolina: Public Laws of the State of South Carolina, p. 49 (1790). At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, Virginia had no specific statute outlawing sodomy, but had adopted the English common law. 9 Hening's Laws of Virginia, ch. 5, 6, p. 127 (1821) (passed 1776).

Read a book.

122 posted on 12/10/2002 1:14:04 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Phantom Lord; Roscoe
When Englands laws start applying to the United States I will concern myself with their laws.

Another Classic Example of Libertarian Ignorance, don't you say Roscoe?

I am wondering if Phantom Lord is aware that English Common law was adopted by the states.

English Common law banned sodomy, that was the basis for most of the Sodomy laws in the United States, and I know for a fact is the basis for North Carolina's Sodomy Law.

123 posted on 12/10/2002 1:14:52 PM PST by FF578
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To: ZULU
In the 18th Century British navy you could hung for buggery. ... I suggest we resurrect it.

And then they'll figure out a reason to come for you.
124 posted on 12/10/2002 1:14:55 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: FF578
Another Classic Example of Libertarian Ignorance, don't you say Roscoe?

It's pretty typical.

125 posted on 12/10/2002 1:16:04 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: RAT Patrol
Sex for hire is another of those "consenting adults" issues that people just don't want to take up.
126 posted on 12/10/2002 1:16:44 PM PST by weegee
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To: ZULU
Actually in many American Sodomy Laws the Punishment was Death.

I agree the death penalty should apply.

128 posted on 12/10/2002 1:16:59 PM PST by FF578
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To: BikerNYC
Why? I'm not a sodomite.

Besides, I always wondered about you biker guys - all that leather, the chains, those trips riding along the road behind one another....hmmmmm.
129 posted on 12/10/2002 1:17:17 PM PST by ZULU
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To: FF578
I pray that God unleashes his wrath.

He has. It's called AIDS! The unfortunate thing is that it has also touched some who are innocent!

130 posted on 12/10/2002 1:17:27 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Roscoe
Read a book.

He probably thinks that books are a source of paper to roll his weed in.

131 posted on 12/10/2002 1:18:13 PM PST by FF578
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To: smith288
We also are told not to be judge of fellow man.

"Let any amongst you who are without sin cast the first stone."

Should we do away with our courts, juries, and judges? What will the lawyers do?

132 posted on 12/10/2002 1:19:22 PM PST by weegee
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To: mason123
JUSTICE WHITE NEVER, EVER Renounced his vote on Bowers.

Justice Powell did.

Justice White was one of the best jurists in recent memory. He and Renquist were the only ones to stand up for the rights of the unborn in Roe V Wade.

133 posted on 12/10/2002 1:20:28 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
The following is a statement in Law French from Corpus Juris: "'Sodomie est crime de majeste vers le Roy Celestre,' and [is] translated in a footnote as 'Sodomy is high treason against the King of Heaven.' At common law 'sodomy' and the phrase 'infamous crime against nature' were often used interchangeably."

Are you actually saying that the Corpus Juris Civilis did not condemn sodomy?

You seem to be experiencing some difficulties in reading comprehension.

No, I'm not saying that it did not condemn sodomy, Einstein, but you know that and wouldn't be using this as a less-than-transparent dodge if you actually had a cogent argument.

134 posted on 12/10/2002 1:20:32 PM PST by Pahuanui
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To: Liz
According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: ...or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

I'm confused and I didn't see anyone else comment on this -- doesn't this mean that any doctor who inserts a catheter into a man's urethra, or a nurse inserting a tampon for a disabled woman, is in violation of this code? Wouldn't a gyno exam be in violation of this code? What about a proctology exam? Guess this means that down Texas way guys don't have to worry about hearing the doctor SNAP on the glove and say "Bend over now and cough."

:-)

135 posted on 12/10/2002 1:22:23 PM PST by dark_lord
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To: FF578
If the Court Overturns Bowers, I pray that God unleashes his wrath.

Since you obviously have a direct line to the Almighty, can you tell us what form this will take? A rain of frogs? A reign of Democrats? A Dow-Jones close of 666? The EU expanded to include Quebec? Will He cause the World Trade Center to be rebuilded unto Heaven, that He may once again smite it?

136 posted on 12/10/2002 1:24:27 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: FF578
"Sex is something to be shared between a husband and wife."

Define "husband and wife", please.

138 posted on 12/10/2002 1:26:37 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: FF578
So if my wife gives me oral sex then I/She/We should be killed?
139 posted on 12/10/2002 1:26:44 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Texaggie79
Society's interest is very much protected by these laws.

Reason #1: If these laws had been enforced, we wouldn't be bearing the enormous cost of the AIDS epidemic. We pay a huge amount for homosexcual behavior everytime we buy medical insurance or pay taxes.

Reason #2: I suspect, but can't prove, that child molestation is much higher in the homosexual community than in the regular community. It seems that most if not all gays I have met have reported being introduced to homosexuality activities at a very young age.






140 posted on 12/10/2002 1:27:06 PM PST by DannyTN
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