Judge (Moore) Appeals Call to Remove Decalogue

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[Dallas]

Actually, it's not "Christian Text". The big ten are based on Judaism.

It's well established that any seperation of church and state only applies at the federal level. States are supposed to be able to do whatever they want.

[Diverdogz]

...ok, a couple of other things come to mind. Have marriage defined as a union between a man and woman. Outlaw same sex sodomy. Prohibit cloning and fetal cell research.

Now beyond that, plus what was mentioned in my previous post, what are the legislative goals of Christians.

[dirtboy]

It's well established that any seperation of church and state only applies at the federal level. States are supposed to be able to do whatever they want.

That got muddied a bit by the 14th Amendment.

[Dallas]

A society/government based on moral absolutes. For starters,...without invoking the name of God, what purpose is there for taking an oath ?

"I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me,..uh Me?"

[dirtboy]

This is the judicial branch of the state government placing religious texts in the center of a government building. Anyone wanting to exercize their right to petition the courts for a redress of grievances must confront this governmental endorsement of a particular religion.

If the judge were to invoke the Ten Commandments as relevant common law in trying or sentencing someone, you would have a point, and the defendent would have sound reason to appeal the judge's decision, and the judge should face sanction. But it is not establishment of religion to have the Ten commandments in the lobby of a courtroom, nor to have a menorah at the local town hall, or other religious symbols in the Governor's mansion. The anti-religion types in this country have taken their crusade too far, to the point of irrelevance.

[Diverdogz]

Dadgum, I thought of one more: Allow churches to openly endorse political candidates (just like the dems do now).

Now, assuming all of the previously mentioned items are laws on the books.... What are the ultimate legislative goals - or will victory be declared at that point.

Thanks again.

[Theodore R.]

Yea, it's a secular trinity!

[Theodore R.]

Wouldn't it be fun if Morris Dees campaigned for Chief Justice against Judge Moore? He could bring AR Bill and NY Hillary in to speak for him. Maybe even Mary Landrieu could come over from New Orleans for an appearance.

[Catspaw]

It's well established that any seperation of church and state only applies at the federal level. States are supposed to be able to do whatever they want.

So states could mandate that all its residents have to be one religion, or that those of a certain religion would have more or less advantages, preferences, or restrictions? I don't think so.

[Catspaw]

Well, the monument isn't exactly attractive in a stylistic sense.

[rwfromkansas]

I hope the govt. has to bring troops to take it down.....Moore, don't lose your toughness on this.

[rwfromkansas]

It still holds up, as the court decisions did not expand the 14th Amendment to apply to it until decades after it was ratified. Early court decisions after the 14th Amendment realized the Amendment has no bearing here.

[nicmarlo]

they have used litigation to coerce, oppress, and stifle American Christian religious freedom.

That, indeed, is a provable FACT, over and over and over and over, year after year after year after year. As Bill O'Reilly pointed out, our country was just fine for the first 200 years. It's only been the last 50 that everyone's been "made aware" of how "screwed up American and the Founding Fathers" were to think they way the did the first 200 years of our history.

I'm glad the lawyers and ACLU's and others during our generation are so much more enlightened about the Founding Fathers' intent than were the Founding Fathers themselves. /sarcasm

[Catspaw]

Do you have access to the applicable 14th amendment cases?

[Dallas]

LOL....there's a substantial amount of quotes from the founding fathers that address the issue. Just say the word, and I'll let er rip.....

[nicmarlo]

Tell me what "religion" is being promoted by displaying by the Ten Commandments? Jewish, Baptist, Catholic, 7th Day Adventist, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Congregational, Lutheran, Quaker, or, perhaps, one I didn't mention? Don't lump them all together as Christian, because they differ in their doctrines and beliefs. Name the specific religion being promoted by this display for which this Judge is accused?

[Chemist_Geek]

U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order found the monument violates the Constitution's ban against government establishment of religion and gave Moore 30 days to remove it.

I find that Judge Thompson's order violates the Constituition's ban against government prohibiting the free exercise of religion. So there. ;-)

[Dallas]

So states could mandate that all its residents have to be one religion, or that those of a certain religion would have more or less advantages, preferences, or restrictions? I don't think so.

That would be establishing a religion, which is not what I said.