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Hillary Demonstrator gets jail time
©Finger Lakes Times 2002 ^ | December 08, 2002 | By: MATT REYNOLDS, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 12/08/2002 5:49:57 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Jesus. Enough said.
do you think that "normal" people don't become addicted to drugs and alchol? you should get your head out of your rear end if this is what you believe.
21 posted on 12/08/2002 8:06:24 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: poet
I was under the impression that there was a shelf life for certain aspects of the act.
22 posted on 12/08/2002 8:12:58 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"What he's doing is demonstrating, and for that he needs a permit."

Funny, I've never seen anything in the 1st amendment that says "permit" to free speech.


23 posted on 12/08/2002 8:23:55 AM PST by unixfox
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To: basil
Although I have done this many times, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth to have to do it.

Get enough people together and a permit is not needed. What are they gonna do, run EVERYBODY off? I don't think so. Permit, Schmermit, it's total B.S.


24 posted on 12/08/2002 8:26:10 AM PST by unixfox
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To: cardinal4
Four years except section 802 which goes on in perpetuity!
That's what makes it suspect as far as I'm concerned.

FReegards
25 posted on 12/08/2002 9:39:05 AM PST by poet
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
If it as harmeless as you believe, why doesn't section 802 have a four year lifespan as the rest of the act does. As for intent, who determines intent in the scenario I presented? What if a government operative infiltrates the demonstrators and causes an incident so a commissar can determine their demonstrating or speaking against a government policy will cause injury or loss of life? Sounds far feteched? Yes, but it has been done before.

You really don't see the pattern do you?:

a) The CFR is an assault on free speech 30 days before the end of a primary and 60 days before the endof a general election and your "conservative" President knew it, but, still signed it intto law.

b) The misnamed p.a.t.r.i.o.t. law is an assault on our liberties and freedoms, especially in the future.

c) the so-called homeland (I hate that word, what was wrong with the words National Security?) security law has so many special interests protections in it that it is a joke to relate it to security, It is just another assault on Americans except, of course, those with political clout!

And the beat goes on.

FReegards
26 posted on 12/08/2002 9:51:53 AM PST by poet
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"I'm sorry, but this doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't restrict free speech at all..."

Give us your thoughts on the 20,000 gun control laws and the Second Amendment.

27 posted on 12/08/2002 9:53:18 AM PST by gatex
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To: coloradan
"When will a permit be needed to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures?"

I think one is needed already but is not available.
28 posted on 12/08/2002 9:55:02 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Tijeras_Slim
He thinks the Beast is going to do something for him when he can obviously do nothing for her?

I hope this gets plenty of publicity and the entire left hears about it. Afterall, she was supposed to be so big on the Children's Defense Fund. I think the left needs to know that she had one of theirs thrown in jail for being in the corridor instead of giving him an appointment to talk to her...

29 posted on 12/08/2002 10:34:56 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
***Many dirtbags had to be released from jail in order to make room for mandatory drug sentences ... for non-violent drug offenders. *** Could you tell me where to find the statistics on this, please.

These statistics only exist when pro-legalization people "cook the books." In New York State, at least, the "non-violent drug offenders" in prison tend to actually be people who are in for second, third or even fourth offenses, and often have histories of violent crime in their records.

Interesting viewpoint. However, it appears that the Florida Department of Corrections disagrees with you (in part). Here is a posting on the Official Florida Department of Corrections website, which states:
" In fiscal year 89-90, 36.1 percent of all admissions to prison were admitted for a drug related crime. Over 16,000 inmates walked through the gates with a drug charge as the primary offense. Some of these inmates were recommitted two and three times during the same year because they were released early by the "Control Release Authority" (Parole Commission). They were considered low risk offenders in comparison to the prison population. In some cases, violent offenders were released early to make room for the new admission of a non-violent drug offender. This criminal justice policy clearly made no sense."

Now, this is an official statement (its posted on their website!), made by a prison system under a Republican administration run by the brother of President Bush. This tends to disagree with you (that is, it specifically states that "violent offenders were released to make room for non-violent drug offenders"). However, note that they are describing a period of time just over a decade ago.

Why are they posting this? Because they next point out that:
"The last fiscal year (96-97), only 22.6 percent of all admissions to prison had a drug charge as their primary offense, which was less than 5,000 inmates. This was down from over 16,000 inmates in fiscal year 89-90. Although felony adult drug arrests and drug admissions to community supervision have remained fairly constant during the last six years, drug admissions to prison have decreased dramatically, thereby saving valuable prison beds for violent and predatory offenders. It is vital that the Florida Legislature continues to provide funding for community-based programs and funding for a balanced criminal justice policy. Community-based outpatient programs operate at a fraction of the cost of new prison construction and extant prisons. Also, over the last six years, residential treatment programs have proven to be very cost effective."

Hmmm. It appears that the Florida prison system under Jeb Bush thinks that locking up people who are non-violent drug offenders is expensive and inefficient. Thus they are using alternative programs.

To your point - in Florida, at least, they are trying to use the prisons for violent offenders. And since they have built more prison space, I suspect they are not having to release "dirtbags" to house these people. Thus the viewpoint that "dirtbags" are released to house non-violent offenders appears to have been true in the past but at least in Florida is no longer true.

Interesting, isn't it? I think that your view of "pro-legalization" people may be uncharitable - they were correct in the past, but due to increased prison building today and usage of programs like these in Florida, they are no longer correct. Yet I would not call them "book-cooking" - just not up to date.

30 posted on 12/08/2002 10:50:06 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: gatex
I support the 2nd amendment. A law that simply categorizes criminal actions as being domestic terrorism doesn't bother me. The acts of the people are already illegal under the criminal code. BOO! lol. The boogie man is in the closet behind you! Watch out. (/paranoid)
31 posted on 12/08/2002 11:45:10 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
People addicted to drugs who are not violent or stealing need treatment, not jail.

No one gets put in jail because anyone, anywhere, thinks it's something they need. People go to jail because they've engaged in behavior that society wishes to interrupt, or contain (Here in America, punishment is no longer considerd a valid reason, unfortunately).

Drug abuse certainly qualifies under that definition.

32 posted on 12/08/2002 11:56:03 AM PST by irv
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"The boogie man is in the closet behind you! "

You failed to give us your thoughts on the 20,000 gun laws and the Second Amendment.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals also supports the Second Amendment -- they just support it as a state right , not an individual right.

33 posted on 12/08/2002 12:58:09 PM PST by gatex
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"What he's doing is demonstrating, and for that he needs a permit."

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

No problem. He has one.

34 posted on 12/08/2002 1:26:06 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

"Make him disappear, you fools..."


35 posted on 12/08/2002 1:35:06 PM PST by Fintan
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To: poet
Keep in mind, section 802 has no expiration date as does the rest of the act. Rather curious don't you think? Is it possible this will be the legal justification of the coming new world order to stifle dissent and opposition, nyah! Our government wouldn't do that to us, now, would they?

Very interesting, now. They have the legal means, ala Hitler, to "herd" dissenters into the cattle cars. Historical footnote: Hitler did everything by "legal" means.

Oh, and the "Patriot Act" also includes Carnivore and Know Your Customer, did you know?

36 posted on 12/08/2002 3:21:18 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Murtari better be careful, messing with the Hildebeast.


You mean her!

37 posted on 12/08/2002 4:19:24 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: gatex
the 9th circuit is wrong. the 10th amendment specifically mentions the state. had they wanted the state mentioned in the 2nd, they would have. how's that? The 1st amendment gives us free speech...not the right to break criminal laws.
38 posted on 12/09/2002 8:53:32 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: poet
Sorry you're so misguided. That could never be used against the citizens of the respective states. Conservatives will never have to worry about such laws. Don't you realize these laws were passed to protect us? And anyway, they'll all sunset when the 'war on terror' is over. < /sarcasm>
39 posted on 12/09/2002 8:56:24 AM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
How could I be so wrong? Thank you for opening my eyes. I thought Section 802 went on in perpetuity. 8>) 8>)


40 posted on 12/09/2002 9:09:57 AM PST by poet
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