Posted on 12/06/2002 9:07:35 PM PST by BOBWADE
Bingo.
Until he struggles to meet modest monthly bills, he has no right to make decisions for ME. He used to struggle to meet modest monthly bills before Kohl's started growing. The problem is, he forgot what it was like, as liberals tend to do when they become rich liberals.
They used to have a system like that .... it was called haggling.
I'm sorry to blow a small hole in your logic, but when was the last time you saw an "across the board" tax cut?
Remember that this is an "in context" story. In the real world, tax cuts aren't uniform.
I'm sorry to blow a small hole in your logic, but when was the last time you saw an "across the board" tax cut?It took you 2 1/2 yrs to think of it and you're still wrong.
I don't recall the year but I'm pretty sure there was a year when every taxpayer received a tax refund...what would you call that?
Why should anyone have to pay? Let's just borrow some more money from China.
Two and a half years ... only because I was looking for the story for a friend and stumbled across the board today. And why put a statute of limitations on a discussion? I'm Australian, we can discuss for years. :)
Where I was "wrong" was when I failed to clarify that I was discussing your "everyone should get 20%" doesn't work in reality. I should have asked when you last saw a tax cut that was made across all tax brackets to end up as a flat percentage for everyone? :)
That's not the way tiered taxation has ever worked. Unless you have a flat taxation method, you can't get the result you are looking for. The person in the highest bracket takes the benefits from each previous brackets with them by default.
But I say borrow from a third world African nation. They've just had their debt wiped out, maybe they'd return the favour. :)
Anyhow, I thank you for taking the time to comment two years plus later. :)
Where I was "wrong" was when I failed to clarify that I was discussing your "everyone should get 20%" doesn't work in reality.Well,in reality a restaraunt owner CAN give everyone an across the board discount. Restaraunt owners don't usually divvy up the bills for their customers.
The obviously juvenile made up story about a restaurant owner giving a discount is a poor analogy for OUR taxes...Get it?
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Like I said originally, it's contextual. The government decides it can give a tax break they would divvy it up, exactly like the restaurant owner did in this *analogy*. I think you've missed the point that we are talking about the tax system and not restaurant politics. What a restaurant would do is *irrelevant*
And for you to say that someone didn't get benefit because they "paid more as a percentage of the total" seems ridiculous.
Do you really think about how much extra you are paying in tax as a percentage of the national tax bill when tax cuts roll out? If so, you must have a calculator that has a lot of decimal places!
The "rich man" in the story had seven dollars more in his pocket and got the exact same service. Show me the man who doesn't want an extra $7 for doing nothing different?
And if that man is you, I'll give you my address and you can send me a cheque for $7 whenever you like ... seeing as having that extra $7 is of no benefit to you. :)
I have heard this story before, but I just found this thread.
This whole situation would be solved if we all got behind and passed the Fair-Tax. The total price for the dinner would go down by about $20 (just to be conservative). The federal sales tax of 23% on the remaining $80 would be 18.40 bringing the total to $98.40 (just about back where we began).
Everyone would keep 100% of their paychecks (getting an effective pay-raise of about 28 - 35%). All income, savings, capital-gains, and investments would be untaxed allowing wealth to increase unrestrained. People would only be taxed when they decided to spend money on “new goods and services”. You would be able to control how much tax you paid to the government by how much you decided by purchase.
I could go on for hours, but John Linder and Neil Boortz already have in their book “The Fair Tax” and the follow-up “The Fair Tax: Answering the Critics”. Read them both (you can get them at the library if you don’t believe in capitalism and don’t want to give money to the charities that receive all the profits from these books).
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