Child removed from family because she was loved too much

WTSP Channel 10, Tampa ^ | 12-05-02 | WTSP

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

DCF worker
to new foster family: "This child has been loved too much at her last placement. Let's get it right this time."

Foster family
to DCF worker: "???????"

[dramagirl1341]

if the child is forming a good relationship with the aunt and uncle, and is being loved and cared for, then the child should stay with them! they're much better caregivers than the parents. the child will grow up to be an emotional wreck, and will never be able to form a good, close relationship with anyone.

[RGSpincich]

Unfortunate "code" words probably meaning they smothered her and didn't leave emotional space for the mother.

[RGSpincich]

since when is bonding with a blood relation a crime?

They are obstructing a court ordered reunification. A one year reunification program is common, it's been eleven months. There has been visitation and counseling. Time for mother and child to gradually try again. The mother will not be able to bond with the child while the aunt and uncle are in the picture. It's time for them to slip quietly into the night. Time to transfer that bond to the mother in a way that everybody here said was possible. But oh no, the aunt and uncle call the media!

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

Well, unless there is something the neighbors didn't see & the reporter didn't sense...

I'm sorry...the lives of children do not just stop because mommy and or daddy are incapable of taking care of themselves. Developmental milestones of all kinds come and they go, and you either "use them or lose them." There is no better scenario for this or any child, than to have a blood relative who is able & ready to take the child into their lives and home.

And while this might not win the popular vote, I remain steadfast in my belief that there should be a legal time limit that protects children, placed in a loving home for temporary care during the first two years of life, from being yanked away by an umbilical cord.

What is one -- two -- three years to get one's adult life together, is an irreplaceable time to a child's overall well-being. And in my opinion, if a person can be so irresponsible and inconsiderate to waste the months of pregnancy, and then some, not getting help and/or not being helped to the point of becoming a decent, sober parent, well then I'm sorry.

This isn't failing a driving test, this is failing to provide what a child needs. The person/persons with whom the primary attachment is made, should be "it." The biological parent can cry a river, and with prayer, grow from their pain and loss. They shouldn't ask the child to bear the weight of the sacrifice.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

fl_governor@myflorida.com

[Nuke'm Glowing]

So you see why I'm so angry, again, at our state government. Even though the GOP is in charge now, there are still literally thousands of democronies from the last administration in power and lots of their employees who think along the lines of this idiot judge and DCF workers.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

Thank you!

I used this one: fl_governor@eog.state.fl.us

I'll email the other one, too. :)

[RGSpincich]

You could argue with a whole barrel full of "parental-rights-no-matter-what" folks that gather here at FR but I'm not one of them. They are suspiciously absent on this thread, probably because they would be sided with their natural enemy...the government.

Time limit seems to be one year in this case. The mother has convinced the judge that she deserves consideration and he has ordered a reunification program. This was done months ago.

The mother did not leave the baby on a doorstep. The mom has been in forced exile from her daughter's life, if you ask her. She's been doing what has been required of her so that she may reunite with her child. The aunt and uncle should be reassuring to the child instead of acting like spoiled brats. They began their relationship with this child knowing that the day would come when they would be seperated fom her. They are creating the problems in the child's life now.

[GovernmentShrinker]

I didn't say I approved of the process by which this and other parents have had their children taken. But as I said in an earlier post, I'm giving authorities the benefit of the doubt, for the sake of argument here on the point of the bonding issue, that the removal was justified.

I still think we need a major legal change in this country, mandating full due process before the extremely harsh punishment of removal of a child from a parent can be imposed. Obviously there are situations where an emergency removal for a few days, pending fuller investigation and criminal charged, is needed. But there need to be other options, much less harsh than removal, for use pending trial, and proper trials needed to be greatly expedited in these cases, for the sake of both children and innocent parents.

With modern technology, in-home audio and video surveillance would protect children effectively, with little disruption to the parent(s)' life, and with younger children, no awareness of the changed situation on the part of the child. In cases where this just isn't workable for whatever, requiring parents and children to move to an apartment in an LE-supervised facility would be another alternative, much less damaging to the children and potentially innocent adults. I could support the imposition of measures like these on the strength of just a pre-trial hearing, but not removal of the child except on a 2-3 day emergency basis.

[RGSpincich]

And to think that some people who would be required to adhere to the measures you have outlined in your last paragraph don't even think they need a driver's license to drive. Good luck.

[Freedom2specul8]

big brother cameras?

1984?

[GovernmentShrinker]

The reality under the current system is that many parents, including some who are later found to be completely innocent, have their children removed from them for long periods of time, subjected to leading questioning by psychologists (often implanting "memories" which the chold is later encouraged to "testify" to in court against the parents), and both parents and children are traumatized and permanently damaged by the whole process. I don't know any parent who wouldn't prefer to remain in thier own home, with their children, with a couple of discreet cameras, AFTER a pre-trial hearing. It would be nice if a full-blown trial could start an hour after police respond to a child abuse call, and find what they believe to be significant evidence of serious abuse -- but that's not reality.

[Roscoe]

And to think that some people who would be required to adhere to the measures you have outlined in your last paragraph don't even think they need a driver's license to drive.

Amazing, aren't they?

[Nuke'm Glowing]

A FOLLOW UP AFTER THE 6 P.M. NEWS TONIGHT...

Mike Deeson continues to hammer and get some answers finally.
First I guess all of the stirring up of the hornet's nest has caught his attention and the attention of Jeb. When asked about it today, Jeb said if true, that it was absurd that you can "never give a 17 month old child too much love". Wow, keep it pouring on folks.

Secondly, I owe A HUGE APOLOGY to the Florida DCF folks. They finally went on the record, although by law they are not supposed to, and stated that they advised Judge Frank Gomez that the child SHOULD remain with the aunt and uncle. Wow, another shocker!

The idiot judge listened to a "Volunteer Guardian" who advised against this because of the bonding with the new parents issue. Well, now that's just great since the only qualifications required to become a "Volunteer Guardian" in the state of Florida is 30 hours of training and a good background check!!!!!

Sadly, this is a twin sister we are talking about. The Goins family asked DCF to take care of this child because they knew the story behind it. It appears the mother was in custody of both sisters when her twin "died" while in the mother's custody (no further info on this yet).

There you have it. We can not get the Judge's point of view because by law he is not allowed to speak about specifics of any case, but could offer generalties.

I must commend Jeb for agreeing to check this out and I hope everyone continues to email his office with more protests about this absurdity so close to Christmas. His email address again is:

fl_governor@eog.state.fl.us

[John Jamieson]

I've been in Florida Family Court. You walk in and huge posters proclaim "Save Our Children"; they do anything but.

The system is loaded 99% against parents and raises the children to be socialists, if they manage to kept them alive at all.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

It's more like they raise them to be crack addicts. Socialists only if they are indoctrinated properly...

[Saundra Duffy]

Our state is slowly turning into as big a joke as Commiefornia.

I resemble that remark. But seriously, this story is beyond sickening.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

It is sadly very true. The really heart wrenching part was watching the interview with the parents with all the Christmas stuff up in the background. It reminds you that we have invested too much power in our judges and too much power in the hands of the social engineers produced by our left wing extremist university system.

[another cricket]

The Goins family asked DCF to take care of this child because they knew the story behind it. It appears the mother was in custody of both sisters when her twin "died" while in the mother's custody (no further info on this yet).

Sadly to some it wouldn't matter if she had slaughtered her other daughter on Main Street at high noon. The biological bond is sacred.

You think I am kidding? Mothers have murdered one child been sent to jail and when released promptly been given unsupervised custody of the other surviving children. After all, she cried so pitifully about how she missed her little darlings.

a.cricket